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Greenmtnphantom 06-22-2010 09:10 PM

Gargoyle Reviews
I figure this is a good place to compile everyones reviews of a the Gargoyle. Please post up as much information as you can so that this can be a one stop shop for Gargoyle Reviews

Here is mine so far

Gun: RTR Gargoyle, 1st run #11

NOTE: this is not a one time review it is a collection of thoughts, facts and numbers from almost a year of using the gun. Much of this, many of you have already read but, here it is all in one spot.

First day of testing, the gun has seen fewer than 100 round through it.

12ie - Leland

Paint - All star bought 12 days ago, didn't find any serious dimples or deformities in the paint it was in pretty good shape but a blow through test did find that the bore match was not quite what I would have liked it to be. The fit looked fine at first but the ball did stick at one point in the barrel air traveling past it at two points and two points (these points were 180* apart) in contact with the barrel holding it in place, picture an oval stuck in a circle.

Temp - low 60's

Total shots taken - 34

Data -
Chronograph speeds - 288, 297, 291, 000, 309, 273, 289, 279, 285, 289, 276, 303, 278 285, 301, 286, 288, 290, 282, 280, 300, 271, 280, 260, 276, 277, 259, 244, 237, 206, 000, 000
000 means I did not get a reading.

OPSERVATION - I'm assuming that this is due to the lip created by the new feed design but once a ball rolls into the "ready position" above the breach it pretty well stays there I lifted the gun to about a 85* angle (almost vertical) before the ball rolled back into the feed and out of the "ready position".

Second Testing a few weeks after getting the gun still less than 500 paintballs through it

So I was all set up to test the Gargoyle side by side with the Phantom, even changed the stock Gargoyle main spring for a blue Phantom on so that it would be more "apples to apples" I go to shoot the Phantom for the first time and as I'm bringing the barrel up the paintball falls right out the end of the barrel So I tip the barrel down on the Gargoyle, nothing happens, I shake it a little trying to get the ball to roll out and still nothing, I raise the gun to the chronograph and fire 238fps. So the ball apparently did not stay in the breach but the detents did prevent the roll out, I guess a slow shot is better than a blank. I ended the testing there for the day; I'm going to get some paint that better matches the barrel before I run the test between the two guns.

Pump Pandemonium Note Ė
Gun worked great. I did get over excited at one point and chopped a ball, on my way off the field I looked at it and thought to myself "damn thatís going to take forever to clean" about 3 minutes after arriving at the dead box the gun was ready to go again, no tools just paper towels and a cooler to set parts on. I have no doubt if it was my Phantom I would have either had to play with it dirty or be out several insertions to clean that mess.

What is very obvious now that I have been using this gun more is that it is a gun that was made by someone that, not only knew what they were doing in the shop, but knew the kinds of things that players encounter on the field and in the dead box and came up with great user friendly ways of dealing with these problems.

January 1st private game.
Setup is a hard (red) valve spring and soft (blue) main spring from a Madman kit. I played today (tradition) it was about 26*F out and a foot of snow. With this spring combo I was shooting about 240 (brittle summer paint caused me to lower the usual 260ish I generally try to shoot at) I'm proud to say that I was getting around 20 good shots off of a Leland 12ie, with a paint to barrel match that was not very good and the balls were in pretty rough shape but they were all I had.

Thoughts so far-
-I love this gun. Equals or outperforms my phantom in every category. The trigger and pump stroke are extremely smooth
-I honestly think that I will be able to get this gun over 60 shots per 12ie when weather warms up (stay tuned to see how that works out for me)
-I do occasionally miss my offset SC feed.
-Iím really glad that I decided to get a stock.
-Those of you that own or have owned Phantoms doubtlessly understand what I mean when I say that Rodney must have got to the CCI school of customer service.
-This is a true players gun. Always works, quick and easy to clean.
- The flat black does show any rubmarks or scratches, rubmarks are cleaned up pretty easy with a rag and some silicone spray

splattttttt 06-23-2010 11:36 AM

That's right folks, my 2010 RTR raffle winning ticket #609 ( my new jersey number ha ha) is how I managed to snag such a wonderful stock gun.
Pictured with a SM1 Orbium barrel kit.
Even this guy's a big fan (no pun intended lol)...

For those of you not familiar with the creator of the Gargoyle Rodney Neill; one thing I should note is that this man cut his paintballin teeth while serving as a USMC in the mighty island in the Pacific west known as none other than Hawaii whilst planning, and plotting how some day he too would have a chance at giving the paintball community his own version of a true legend. What was what he began with...
Ask Rodney a question regarding a Kamikaze Shooter Desert Duck DD68, and the people who wielded them, and you'll receive more that just story.
He also happens to be among one of the chosen few that own some of the largest personal collections to this day.
What does the Desert Duck have to do with the Gargoyle? Well, allow me to quote someone's opinion who also noted as having a great knowledge of what was Rodney's true inspiration... Quote; Hot? wow... My feeling is that this gun would be many pump players "go to" gun. As a Manufacturer of my own products, including the REDUX marker, I feel a player is getting WAY more than their money's worth with the Gargoyle! True, it is not by any means inexpensive- but the design, machining, and care of assembly makes it worth every penny and more!!!!! You've done a great job Rodney- one more thing.. GillyMonster made a great comment about your gun-he said something like.. "this gun has Hawaii all over it" - a great compliment to Rodney and his paintball heritage! Mongo End quote
Funny to say the least, but some have compared it to the Phantom. To that all I have to say is...
I won't take anything, nor degrade such a venerable example as the Phantom, but is a Phantom able to swap out parts as easily as this?
The bread an butter video.See what I mean? But you did notice the similarities of the internals? Those are stock CCI. These are compatible with the Gargoyle. I'm currently using Lapco internals in mine so that I can take advantage of Colin's Grey Ghost fluted hammer to help increase efficiency a bit.
Eventually Michael at ASP will market his own version machined from CCI stock, and the Lapco internals can go back into my old Nelly.
There are other similarities between the Phantom, and the Gargoyle besides the internals.
For one it's this! Buy one of these from from RTR, and slap it right on to your Phantom if you're ready to rock a buttery smooth slide trigger ahhh :drool:
In fact, many are using accessories sold at RTR to use on their Phantoms. It's what I first did when I wanted to give my Duck Slide the finishing touch...
But let's not mistake the Gargoyle as a Phantom please. For instance, the Gargoyle is cocker threaded.
Not sure what the advantage there???
Like a sniper, the Gargoyle sets the ball in the ready position to be shot from the barrel; unlike the Phantom where the ball rest's in the breech awaiting a launch.
This means a direct path straight down a smooth bore, with out splits in the way.
This makes for a true closed bolt firing position, and closed bolts are the shiznits.

Here are a few images to leave you with...

DSA 06-30-2010 12:38 AM

Ok just a lil FYI, I shot my Garg for the 1st time tonight just plinking at survey posts out here in the boonies. 1st shot maybe 65ft, 4in wide post.... audible "ping" dead center with a Taso raincover. Impressed!

splattttttt 06-30-2010 02:55 AM

You should set your sights up higher brah.
I can usually place shot up on shots at around 125' with out problems.
Velocity is usually set at 265fps. I like Ramp.

Stitch 11-21-2011 04:39 PM

I have started keeping a play journal of sorts myself on our team site

Final Chapter a SoCal Paintball Team
Stitchs Corner
Gargoyle #33


worrptangl 11-21-2011 05:28 PM

Very nice write up Stich!

shadow_772 11-22-2011 01:41 AM

Well, I suppose if this is the Gargoyle review thread: In The Shadows: RTR Gargoyle Review

lechooch 02-04-2012 08:55 PM

I did a mini review of the gargoyle, and compared it against other sc markers:

Hope you like, I want another garg like stitches, his is amazing.

BB Cats 02-04-2012 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by lechooch (Post 2196328)
I want another garg like stitches, his is amazing.

So they aren't all built equally?

worrptangl 02-04-2012 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by BB Cats (Post 2196343)
So they aren't all built equally?

His had some issues with the guide rod lining up. Blue dragon had the same issue.

But as far as I know only a few have had any issues. All were able to be fixed.

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