Inception Designs Fang Trigger

[Fossilhead]

I like the fang, but there is just a little side to side play.

Haven't tried the infamous, but it looks to be stepped out a bit more at the bearing.

Overall, it is a sweet trigger.

[Toestr]

You say that you reccomend a mag for shot quality. Everyone seems to think the Emeks shoot pretty nice, what don't you like? I have not shot either, and I like mags but their efficiency and weight kinda erode their value proposition, plus I can outshoot a stock automag on a stock tippmann 98 when it comes to ROF.

Mostly the trigger on the mag I like. The break is crisp and the reset is positive. It reminds me of the target rifle I used to shoot. I also like that there are fewer orings in the mag, so it's easier to troubleshoot.

Weight and efficiency aren't of much concern to me, and really if you don't play tournaments or scenario games often it probably isn't the biggest deal. Both are on par with a Tippmann which I would call the 'average' paintball gun at this point.

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[Cunha]

You say that you reccomend a mag for shot quality. Everyone seems to think the Emeks shoot pretty nice, what don't you like? I have not shot either, and I like mags but their efficiency and weight kinda erode their value proposition, plus I can outshoot a stock automag on a stock tippmann 98 when it comes to ROF.

[Chuck E Ducky]

It’s Ruthless. I got one from the first run adjustable trigger and DW valve they rip!

[The Jayster]

Got the Fang trigger for my Emek, and it made a huge difference. With the stock trigger I could use the PAL loader without overshooting it. Now there's no way I can use the PAL loader reliably with the upgraded ROF the Fang affords me. The Emek being a mech gun and as I play exclusively woodsball, I don't need to shoot long ropes but I like to be able to fire a quick burst when needed. The Fang trigger allows me to do just that.

I've ordered a DW hAir 45 valve. Can't wait to see the end result coupled with the Fang.

[sniper97]

The gamma core, PE tested it for 125,000 round, lubed it and kept doing it until it hit 500,000 rounds. Video of madman, freezing the gamma core and lubing it with peanut butter and it still shot.. No eyes, tough body, can shot any paint, gamma core...what is not to like.

[Cunha]

Those are my thoughts. Jack may want rental fleets to run emeks but the design isn’t rental friendly

[JonM]

Yes they were. Here's an interview with Jack Wood where he discusses that very subject. My point was a statement of fact according to the man who created it. http://eclipsehq.blogspot.com/2018/0...-explains.html

[Toestr]

I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative. I knew I held an unpopular opinion when I posted this, and it's hard trying to make my point without sounding that way.

Anyway, like I mentioned in one of the threads regarding rental and entry level guns, I don't really like these for either.

My main criteria for good a rental gun is a) runs at tank pressure (no reg/proprietary seals to rebuild, b) ease of basic maintenance (bolt removal, getting at high failure parts), and c) streamlining parts (one oring size). To me, the Emek has too many orings of varying sizes. Sure it will chop less and last a long time between rebuilds, but for the near capacity high volume days, turnaround time is huge. With an Emek you'll need to take time to think and troubleshoot. With a stbb that takes all tank orings, you can have whatever kid working there clean and relube the top and hammer portion of the bottom tube in a minute without having to think about it. And as a field owner, you can just buy a couple thousand 90D urethane tank orings and be good for the year.

I also think the Emek is a bit expensive and complicated for a kid or someone with no experience with tools. You have no idea how many kids I see go into local shops for basic maintenance because they bought a mid to high end gun (or even a Tippmann) and didn't expect to need to maintain it. Hell, for the first year I owned my Tippmann, I had no clue how to maintain it, and even when I did I didn't know how it worked for a couple years after. I just knew how it went together.

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[Cunha]

They weren’t built as rentals but entry level guns more generically.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Same. Only vender in Canada. They were great to deal with. I’ve order other things with no issues at all.

[Chuck E Ducky]

You got a great deal on that mag. New mags are like $450+ in the States.

[JonM]

While I can still appreciate an Automag, I wouldn’t consider the Emek to be primarily a tournament marker as implied. In fact, PE build them specifically for use as field rentals and as a solid entry level option for new players. They are effectively the modern equivalent of a Tippmann 98. They are absolutely a woodsball marker, albeit one that can still complete with other modern designs.

[Toestr]

I have had both of the Infamous triggers in my Emek. The first run was pore quality. Adjustment screws threads were blown out milling was ruff with sharp edges. However after emailing them with my grievances they sent me a new one free of cost. The one I got to replace it was from a 2nd run and was finished a lot better. They definitely did not increase trigger pull strength and were a really nice upgrade over the stock non adjustable trigger. I’m definitely happy with the 2nd trigger they sent me. I sold my M170R after getting the infamous trigger I liked it so much.

Im not sure where you are finding mags cheaper then an Emek Mags have skyrocketed in price. They are also gas hogs. The efficiency alone make the emek a much smaller lighter overall package hands down. As for reliability I got one of the first emeks available when they came out. I beat the breaks off mine and haven’t done anything to it since it was new other then clean it. It’s never let me down ever.

I probably would have went with the Inception trigger if it was available at the time. Just because I really like Inception products. But I’m very happy with the newer Infamous trigger I got.

I got a freshly rebuilt basic beater Automag about 6 months ago for $145 CAD. If I were to compare it to a stock Emek, I vastly prefer the Mag.

Like I already said, if you're playing tournaments or play formats where trigger speed, weight, efficiency and profile matter, yes the Emek is the winner. I play rec woodsball 90% of the time, and to me, it seems like many of the members here are in a similar boat.

To me, it seems that the build quality, reliability and ease of maintenance on both are equal. Stock, the Emek is better suited to shooting quickly without worrying about chopping, while the Mag has a better trigger and shot quality (imo).



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[Chuck E Ducky]

I have had both of the Infamous triggers in my Emek. The first run was pore quality. Adjustment screws threads were blown out milling was ruff with sharp edges. However after emailing them with my grievances they sent me a new one free of cost. The one I got to replace it was from a 2nd run and was finished a lot better. They definitely did not increase trigger pull strength and were a really nice upgrade over the stock non adjustable trigger. I’m definitely happy with the 2nd trigger they sent me. I sold my M170R after getting the infamous trigger I liked it so much.

Im not sure where you are finding mags cheaper then an Emek Mags have skyrocketed in price. They are also gas hogs. The efficiency alone make the emek a much smaller lighter overall package hands down. As for reliability I got one of the first emeks available when they came out. I beat the breaks off mine and haven’t done anything to it since it was new other then clean it. It’s never let me down ever.

I probably would have went with the Inception trigger if it was available at the time. Just because I really like Inception products. But I’m very happy with the newer Infamous trigger I got.