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    HK Rapid Fire valve

    I bought the Rapid Fire Valve to use on my Emek or 3M in place of an electric gun. At $44.95, it is a little pricey for just a valve to make your Emek or 3M shoot full auto. Considering that you can cut an oring slightly and get the same effect, I wasn't convinced I needed a valve to do this. But I bought one to have and test out. I finally got to go play with it this weekend and really see what it would do.

    And.....I hated it.

    But that's not to say I won't keep it or use it again. I did swap back to the stock valve about half way through the day to go back to my favorite Emek. But I didn't like the valve or the way it performed for the most part. It's supposed to allow you to pull single pulls and get a semi shot. What I found was that it tends to shoot double shots more often than it does single shots. In fact, the only way I could get it to shoot single was to flick the trigger with my finger coming off the trigger completely. Anything other than a fast tap of the trigger releases more shots than you intend. I know you get one of these because you want to shoot faster. On my Emek with a Hair45 V1 and upgraded setup, it was shooting at 11bps. A little too fast for legal play. I was hoping for around 8-10 max. I played a game or two with it and no refs were screaming I was shooting too fast. But it was ripping paint out when you hold the trigger down, slightly faster than it should. Maybe with the stock valve and not the higher performance Hair45 it would have been slightly slower. My buddy Alex also bought one and he has a Emek with the PE 3way and secret pin along with a double trigger. His was even faster yet. It was outshooting the IR2 hopper when he was ripping on it. We both noticed it also seemed to make the single shots using the double trigger even faster. This was probably due to the valve allowing more shots and if the trigger was down and didn't come back up it was shooting auto, along with the extra shots being produced by the extra hits to the trigger since you are using both fingers. Whatever the reason, it was insanely fast. We both swapped back out by the halfway point of the day.

    So why would I keep it? Why would I want to use this? The short answer is, it's way cheaper than an electric in my bag that only gets used out of guilt. I don't want to buy a marker that doesn't ever get used. At $45 it's way cheaper than getting a used marker that would likely cost $400+ just to sit unused the majority of it's life. Plus, there's not many times where I feel the need to shoot insane amounts of paint these days. I hit plenty of people Sunday with the stock valve, shooting one shot at a time. With the Rapid Fire, I wasted a lot more paint and hit less. I don't think the shot dropped the same shooting the Emek at a higher rate of speed. I think the shots were a little more inconsistent than I am used to. But, for those rare times where I want to blast paint down the field, this is a fast and easy fix. I put the valve in and shoot to my hearts content. Then I swap it back (about a 2 minute process) and I'm back to single shot bliss. I don't feel guilty with a $45 part that doesn't get used much. It sits in my gun bag, maybe forgotten, and it's ok. When or if I need it, I swap it out and go. I thought about putting it in my secondary gun to have for an even faster swap, but there's really no reason. The swap is fast and easy.

    So the final verdict is it's ok. It does shoot auto when you hold the trigger down. I would say to use this on a stock Emek if you want something to shoot full auto and you don't care about wasting paint. The Emek itself is one of the best markers produced in the last 5+ years. It shoot fantastic, works like an old tractor and can be as fancy or plain as you like. But adding this valve will allow you to get electric like performance out of it. The downside is, you lose the finesse and refinement of the single shot Emek. You waste a lot more paint and you lose your ability to really single shot easily when the occasion calls for it.

    Disclaimer, I do have a liquid paintball trigger shoe and about every other upgrade you can get for the Emek on my test gun. It's not stock by any means and maybe a stock setup would produce a better result for single shots, but most people that have Emeks have upgraded the valve, trigger, barrel and pops... Mine is no different and an average setup for Emeks. I didn't try it on my stock 3M, but I might try that next time to see how it handles single shots.



    Quick video demo
    Just a short video of the HK Army Rapid Valve installed in my Emek
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    #2
    Jimmydee sent me his EMF100 with one of these valves in it. I didn't realize it and was trying to troubleshoot the bolt stick and once that seemed fixed I was very confused about how the market was acting. Until I checked with Jimmy about having the valve in it. I felt the same way, it seemed challenging to shoot of just a single shot and more often then not I would shoot extra shots. So I wasn't the biggest fan. My Emek and EMF100 also have the upgrade valves (DW and PE) and I really don't see a need to shoot faster than what these are already capable of. Maybe if I really wanted to shoot paint on my EMF100 with 3D printed wrap feed but that would only be in a big game. But, as Cyberpyr8 points out, at the low price range it's easy to have in the tool box and drop in at a moment's notice, which make the it more tempting.
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      #3
      I got to shoot ZaDeer's yesterday, and it was gross.

      Performed flawlessly, zero issues there, but it somehow made the Emech even more soulless. There is zero feedback on these, they aren't even like an R/T. Just squeeze the trigger and the gun does the rest.

      I can't overstate just how soulless these are. If they become more popular I can definitely see myself running my pre 2002 electros more to keep up, but that is the only plus side I see to these abominations.

      When shooting an electro is closer to the path Velcor intends for us then running a mech, you know we indeed live in dark times.
      Last edited by Myrkul; 11-06-2023, 01:33 PM.

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      • Myrkul

        Myrkul

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        I mean, I enjoy running my 4x4 shocker in F/A, even though I only rarely do it, and I love going crazy on R/T tippmanns, on occasion, but this thing just gave me a visceral feeling of "yuck". I thing I actually grimmaced when shooting it.

        I've never been a fan of the Emech in the first place just because of how little soul it has compared to older markers, (performance has always been top notch) but this upgrade amplifys my disdain to the point of absolute disgust and horror. It's just wrong and I think we all know it deep down.

      • Chuck E Ducky

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        A stock Emek feels a lot like a light weight, reliable, more efficient xvalve mag if you don’t put the Hair 45 or PE pin in it. My wife’s marker is all stock internals with an adjustable trigger and the stock valve feels a-lot like a well tuned xvalve. While hers shoots slower than my tournament setup it feels really nice to shoot with the extra feedback.

      • ZaDeer

        ZaDeer

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        Comically soulless, point-shoot-buuurrrrp. No feedback, and not what an Emek should be used for, but I understand the appeal. It'll be interesting when field owners figure out what's going on...

      #4
      I have the PBG version in my tec9 mg100.... because it makes sense and that's about it

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        #5
        Very nice write up thank you

        Also anybody who has these I'm trying to get a photo of the inside specifically I'm looking at the groove that runs down the interior I'd like to know how far it goes and roughly how wide it is

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          #6
          Thanks for the write up. Kind of what I figured with it. I don’t see the point. Definitely not for me.

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            #7
            I have one of these sitting in the shopping cart at ANS. After this review I'll take it out.

            I too was willing to drop the nominal amount of cash necessary to try it out. If I can't take single shots this is not for me. I'm preachy about trigger discipline. This seems like it sacrificed first gear to allow fifth gear.

            Not my bag baby.

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            • Cyberpyr8
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              Yup. I don't want it if I can't get the single shots I prefer. The last thing I want to do is hit that 11 year old rental player with 2-3 extra shots because I can't control the trigger. Rewatching the videos I shot of it, there's several times it shoots a few extra when I wanted just a single shot. It shouldn't be that way.

            #8
            I have one in my 3M and I love it. It’s not difficult at all to perform single shots and I took videos to show it. I have an ID Fang and secret pin as well. If I had to guess it’s around 8-10 balls a second 🤷‍♂️

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              #9
              I'm tempted to try this out in my Emek, assuming my field wouldn't object. I always liked lower bps full auto, a soothing 'ratatatatat'. A million years ago I had a A5 with a APE rampage board set to full auto at 10 bps. It would let me single shot with a quick pull, but then you could lay down some fire when you needed it. With it being blowback, there was so much feedback with the bolt running back and forth that it really felt alive! Very GI Joe feeling. Had some epic games with it in the woods during the bps wars era. I was at first thrilled the Emek would be able to do mech full auto, but if it feels souless when ripping then that does take alot of the fun out of it for me.

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                #10
                I always loved the AT family of guns for being mech full auto and loud as hell. This seems like it could be at least a more bulletproof way to achieve the same thing and be easy to change out of it's annoying. I have seen stock valves pop up for sale for cheap so I might mod one of those with the same groove and extra holes to see if it can be done at home too.

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