I quit using AV a long time ago. At one time we were playing only renegade ball and ordered paint in bulk from them for almost two years. EVERY single time I called in an order I had issues with proper CC verification. I ended up having to talk to one of their reps and my bank every single order we ever made. Topped off by the swap for backordered product thing they liked to pull all the time......I left them alone and can't say I am suprized to see them go under at all.