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Old 05-17-2012, 08:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think he means that unless the ref overseeing the chrono knows the proper way to test an RT/X valve, a user can cheat by simply pulling the trigger and quickly releasing it as one would do with most guns. But the way the RT/X valve works requires the user to pull the trigger and hold it in, then quickly release and pull it again to get accurate FPS from shot to shot.
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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And RT'ing doesn't make the marker shoot hot. If that was the case. TK would have never brought it to the market and fields would never allow them on the field.
Actually if you were a less than honest person you could RT to shoot hot Airgun Designs - Automag RT Chronograph Procedure
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:43 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Hot for a mag is like 10 fps over for RT or 60 fps over for a classic with some liquid CO2. Nothing like a tippmann going from gas to liquid.

With the classic mags, you could only improve them by trying to keep liquid CO2 out, because it would shut you down eventually. After the new models came out, more than velocity, mags have pretty huge spread on rate of fire. When a ref sees a mag, they don't really know how fast it will shoot. With pumpers playing with rotors on top, and ninja making average looking high output bottle regs, you have to look close sometimes. Modded classics still motor on past todays 12-13 bps limit.

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Old 05-17-2012, 10:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but if you think an additional 10fps which is all it is according to the AGD graph (at least what I can make of it) is going to make or brake a game then...to each his own. If set to 280-285, it's not going to spike pasts 300 RT'ing. Even for someone not knowing, he's not going to have an advantage. I can get shot all day long at 300fps. Won't bother me any, I grew up on that.

I'm talking about knuckleheads "properly" chronoing at 280 and before they go on the field give the adj screw a turn or 2 in. That just makes for a bad day for the other players.

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Yeah it's not much, but technically it is still shooting hot/cheating if a player knowingly sets his X valve at 300 by not holding the trigger and then proceeds shoot 310 constantly. Not much of a difference, but still a difference.
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Hey! Watch the acronyms buddy!! LOL.

Only cheat I ever knew for mags was the one for the RT's where you had to chrono them in a specific way.
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In this thread BOS doesn't always equal BOS when it comes to acronyms.
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Old 05-17-2012, 02:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I hated seeing Allen keys on the field. I didn't like that crown that ANS used to make either. Replace the back of the classic valve with the ANS part and you didn't need an Allen key at all. Just crank it up.
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Old 05-17-2012, 02:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Although I never took advantage of it I will say that “tourney locks” on Mags don’t “really” work.
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Tourney locks. Haha
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