My first mag - Page 3

Moosepatrol · 07-01-2008, 04:11 PM

Okay so I tore my mag down, cleaned her out lubed her up and when I put it back together I still have shootdown. I would like to get this solved before the weekend as I have a game and would love to use her. Now I noticed one thing the valve spring that pushes the pin against the regulator was in there damn tight. I had to go through a side hole and use a small screwdriver to actually pop it out, didn't seem normal. It has an Ans Phase 2 reg on it and the powertubedoes not come of ala Tom Kayes videos. Is this a different type of powertube. Any help MCB can give would be great.

Robertsr · 07-01-2008, 04:58 PM

Have you gotten an o-ring kit and swapped out all your o-rings? Seriously, every time anything has been wrong that I just couldn't track down, that fixed the issue for me.

Nobody · 07-03-2008, 02:54 PM

that powertube is a Level 5 mag, in the video. even though it looks like it would be "better" it isn't. you have a level 7 Mag. and of course there is the Level 10 kit, which is a tunable anti-chop chop bolt.

how are you running your tank and are you getting fresh fills? if you are running the tank in the ASA and you are firing, you are still getting a little liquid in the valve. regardless of the expansion chamber or not, it will get in there, or at least not boil off to total vapor, giving you not enough pressure to firing at velocity. this also goes with using fresh filled tanks. there won't be enough pressure , since the tank is cold, and the mag requires a higher pressure than most other guns.

slasherdan · 07-07-2008, 11:56 AM

You might want to try and forget running the air line from the ASA to the Air thru and then to the Valve.

Get a longer line and run it right from the ASA to the Valve.

Sometime when you start to bend a braid hose that much (and if it's old) there could end up being kinks in it.

ALSO, something that happened to me at D-Day with my Mag. Make sure the tank is on all the way. I screwed my tank on and got the inital filling hiss and didn't think to twist it one more time or tighten it up.

After a while I had shoot down. I twisted the tank once more and had no more problems the rest of the game.

If the lines, and the tank are not the issue then you need to consider the o-rings.

And I could be wrong but I thought a lvl10 wouldn't work properly on a classic valve?

Robertsr · 07-07-2008, 12:01 PM

L10 works just fine with a classic valve. The ULE trigger won't work unless the valve is milled slightly.

secretweaponevan · 07-08-2008, 01:59 AM

Moose, don't forget that CO2 expands slower than HPA because it has to change phases.

Also, mags run off of pressure, not ounces or grams of CO2. If you are using a 1/8th full 9oz. tank, (~1.125oz.), you probably don't have enough pressure in the tank to feed the mag at any rate above 1 shot per 2 seconds. That nearly empty tank won't recover to mag pressure (~450 psi) lickity split.

I have had very bad luck running mags on CO2, especially freshly filled tanks since the CO2 hasn't settled down yet.

Best of luck, but if you pick up an HPA tank, it will be like night and day.

Moosepatrol · 07-08-2008, 01:58 PM

Thanks for the information guys, but still no luck. I have a parts kit coming from AGD soon. Should be here this week. I tried long hoses, short, directly to the valve from the asa, using the expansion chamber, tore the entire gun down and lubed it, back together oil in the asa (I mean a lot of oil), full tanks, half full still no change. First three balls have good velocity then they start to drop. If I hesitate even a half second until my fourth it is back up to pressure. So hopefully when I swap all the o-rings out she will run better. Secret I would like to use Hpa but all my collection runs on co2, so I really can't see me doing it.

Moosepatrol · 07-19-2008, 04:59 PM

Good news, I put my old power tube o-ring on my mag and voila, she works. I took her out for my first full day of play today and she worked pretty good. Still had some shoot-down but it was after about 6-7 shots instead of 4-5. Now there was a highlight today, another MCB'er showed up today and was playing with a stock class phantom. Man decisions, decisions. Do I keep playing with the gun I just got and working or pull the phantom out along side another MCB'er. Well I fell on the dark side today and kept shooting the Mag. But I saw a Phantom gog more than one guy today

Nobody · 07-19-2008, 08:20 PM

ain't nothing wrong with playing with a new gun, or even a gun that is newly fixed. i'm glad that you had a good day with the gun. i've almost forgotten what its like to play a day with my Mag. those where the days, when the only batteries you had to have where in the hoppers.

melkson · 07-20-2008, 02:39 AM

hoppers can use batteries?

07-01-2008, 04:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
Robertsr Ultimate Battle Monkey Z Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Waynesboro, VA	Have you gotten an o-ring kit and swapped out all your o-rings? Seriously, every time anything has been wrong that I just couldn't track down, that fixed the issue for me. __________________ Geriatrically Assured Destruction

07-07-2008, 12:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
Robertsr Ultimate Battle Monkey Z Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Waynesboro, VA	L10 works just fine with a classic valve. The ULE trigger won't work unless the valve is milled slightly. __________________ Geriatrically Assured Destruction

07-20-2008, 02:39 AM	#30 (permalink)
melkson Seasoned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern Colorado	hoppers can use batteries? __________________ Merchant marine salvage engineer, Preemptive salvage specialist I have 1 ATS Mag, and YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!

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07-03-2008, 02:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Nobody Active Member Join Date: May 2007	that powertube is a Level 5 mag, in the video. even though it looks like it would be "better" it isn't. you have a level 7 Mag. and of course there is the Level 10 kit, which is a tunable anti-chop chop bolt. how are you running your tank and are you getting fresh fills? if you are running the tank in the ASA and you are firing, you are still getting a little liquid in the valve. regardless of the expansion chamber or not, it will get in there, or at least not boil off to total vapor, giving you not enough pressure to firing at velocity. this also goes with using fresh filled tanks. there won't be enough pressure , since the tank is cold, and the mag requires a higher pressure than most other guns.

07-07-2008, 11:56 AM	#24 (permalink)
slasherdan Rec Poster Join Date: Apr 2007	You might want to try and forget running the air line from the ASA to the Air thru and then to the Valve. Get a longer line and run it right from the ASA to the Valve. Sometime when you start to bend a braid hose that much (and if it's old) there could end up being kinks in it. ALSO, something that happened to me at D-Day with my Mag. Make sure the tank is on all the way. I screwed my tank on and got the inital filling hiss and didn't think to twist it one more time or tighten it up. After a while I had shoot down. I twisted the tank once more and had no more problems the rest of the game. If the lines, and the tank are not the issue then you need to consider the o-rings. And I could be wrong but I thought a lvl10 wouldn't work properly on a classic valve?

07-19-2008, 08:20 PM	#29 (permalink)
Nobody Active Member Join Date: May 2007	ain't nothing wrong with playing with a new gun, or even a gun that is newly fixed. i'm glad that you had a good day with the gun. i've almost forgotten what its like to play a day with my Mag. those where the days, when the only batteries you had to have where in the hoppers.