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| Active Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ | Absurd Halfblock Inconsistencies
I am having issues with a halfblock I built, trying to get it to shoot consistent velocity. I can get it to shoot consistently around ~320 fps, and consistently around ~240 fps, but no where in between. When it shoots around ~320, I'm getting enough blowback to break all the balls in the feedneck. Using a Jcurt bolt. I have sweetspotted the regulator, have adjusted it higher and lower. Tried running a stock valve and stock slotted hammer. Tried a heavy slotted hammer, it became more consistent, but started randomly venting the valve every few shots. Using a freshly rebuild Torpedo that works fine on another fullbody pump cocker. I've swapped valve and spring setups from another working fullbody pump, with no avail. Tried blue valve, green main. Tried stock valve, green main. Anyone have any setup combinations that work for them? I have a plethora of valves and springs available - have almost every variation of stock WGP valve, in addition to Tornado, Shocktech, DYE, ANS black and others. The internal combo and regulator was extremely consistent before it was halfblocked. I've tried underboring the barrel with fresh, matched paint - as low as .676 - still horrible inconsistency. Driving me nuts. I have 5 other pumps that I have built from scratch, but this one is getting the best of me.
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| MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Houston, TX |
Checked your bolt fit? Fat o-rings can help get the gas to the front, but the front needs to have a decent fit in the breech as well. How far the bolt goes into the breech with the closeness of fit to the bore will affect the blow by. Put two balls in the open feed neck, shoot one and see how high the second one goes up. Then cock the marker and just put one in the feed neck and dry fire. If the dry fire is consistently lower in blow back, you're getting significant leakage from the front. Tighter barrel fit on the paint makes that worse. Otherwise you're probably getting leakage from the bolt o-rings. If you are using air, I wouldn't worry too much about sweet-spotting. For that same matter, you might make sure your reg doesn't have a built up ring of wear or old lube in the one area inside that you are trying to run it in. That's some annoying stuff there.
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| Active Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ |
It's a jcurt bolt, no o-rings. The bolt fits tight. Tight enough that I had to spend an evening pumping the bolt in the body to wear it enough to be a smoother pump stroke. Tight enough that if I leave the marker in the Arizona sun, the bolt swells enough that it binds the pump stroke... I have two freshly rebuilt Torpedo's and both of them work the same on this marker, so I've confident it's not a regulator issue. Tighter fitting paint/barrel match definitely made the blowback worse when she's shooting up in the 320 range.
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| MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Houston, TX |
Make sure it goes into the breech enough. Taking wd3d's comment also, maybe your pump rod is a little too long, leaving the bolt back too far, depending on what limits your stroke.
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| MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lexington, SC |
Just half-locked not midgeted too? Because if you midgeted, that would change your completed spring setup.
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| I like Guns and Cigars. Join Date: Jul 2008 |
If this is a semi, your timing is too tight. It is recocking almost immediately after each shot, causing air to blow into the feedneck. If this is a pump, you aren't holding the pump handle forward when you shoot (you should be doing this). /thread |
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| Active Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ |
I always hold the pump handle. ![]() The sled, pump rod and bolt were made by jcurt, when the gun was halfblocked.
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| I like Guns and Cigars. Join Date: Jul 2008 | hmmm.. Well, that changes things. The root of the problem is air escaping to the feed (you said it was even breaking balls in there). Is there a gap b/n the bolt and body when you look down the feed (w/ the bolt forward)? It is sounding like your half block job may have been the wrong length.
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| Pump Battle Rager Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Columbia, SC |
Just trowing this out there, it the lower tube clean of metal shavings and foreign materials? If not that could cause drag on the hammer, also check your rear grip screw, if too long it kinks the main spring or rub the hammer. Hope it helps |
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