Paintball

[Grendel]

To Summarize:

1. B you are wrong
2. Flex Honing is better then ghetto swab method
3. agentSmith is not connected with Brush Research
4. Detents do not prevent rollouts on closed bolt guns

P.S.
Flex honing is great can be overdone if you use the wrong ones too long but I would not consider it [flex honing] necessary for minor wear marks. Given the imperfections in paint minor scratches and wear marks the effects on a PB would be insignificant compared to some of the typical imperfections in the paint. If you want to hone your barrel buy your own it's cheap and you'll have it available for near ever. By the way it is not rocket science to do, it is very simple.

[Sly1]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

The most amusing thing about this post is how badly you've busted and dated yourself. Had you followed the link to Brush Research, you would've realized that they are an international conglomerate that could CARE LESS if they had sold the FIRST paintball flexhone and still could care less today. When I bought a new superfine last year(I'm still using my old one though), they made me create a business account and have a $50 minimum order(they've redone their website nicely since and that stuff is no longer required I guess).
My son works for a racing custom shop called Livernois MotorSports and they go through more 'berryhones' as they call them in a month than paintballers have bought in the last fifteen years(not a word from me, they had them when he started!).
Part two is that during the Sheridan/Nelspot era, when there WERE NO removable barrels, pretty much every tourney player and airsmith in the whole country had the 'airsmith kit' from flexhone as I remember. At Hell Survivors they have a set that is older than most of the players(with half the berries missing!) that still work fine. With the dawn of removable barrels everyone forgot about them, because as I said BR never did care for what was to them just an annoyance.
Now to me, not even paying attention to my posts or checking out any of the links I provided and coming up with the classic 'you're being paid' chestnut, is trolling.

You think whether flexhones are superior can be debated because you didn't read ANYTHING I linked and remain in the dark. Please if you consider yourself a reasonable person go here:
Brush Research Manufacturing: Brush Literature
and check out the electron microscope pictures of the surface finish acheived even with fixed hones on piston walls versus the finish put on by flexhones and tell me again you think you can get something that smooth with a big Qtip.

I guess I'm unclear how I can 'state my information simply and quickly and not discredit someone elses', when that person is by implication CALLING ME A LIAR! Saying that flexhones are no more effective than shotgun swabs is a direct contradiction of what I said IN MY FIRST POST in this thread(saying the best suggestion I had was a flexhone, NOT A SWAB) and every post after that, so I've been trolled wrongly for three pages now by people WHO DIDN'T EVEN READ WHAT I WROTE.

Heh-heh,
Does Hoppes pay you to hawk subpar shotgun swabs? I don't think so and wouldn't have even jested about it except for the rude start to your post. Because it's silly.

The 'MCB collective members' as you have so grandly appointed the few members in this thread bashing me(does Carter know?) are wrong. Numbers don't make you right, at one time the 'collective wisdom' was that the earth was flat with dragons at the edge, they were all wrong too.

Pizzaluvr,
Not a problem in the slightest! None of this especially upsets me, it's more of a stubborn streak that won't let people give wrong data as fact if I can help it.
I regret not speaking cocker better and clarifying that a 'wedgit' is in fact Palmer's brand name for their BARREL DETENT.
seperate from a 'ball detent' but a detent nevertheless.
That little usage problem snarled this whole thread right up.

Splattttttt,
I did mention the 'line of nail polish down the barrel' that acts just like a flatline as my reasoning for thinking linear scratches cause spin which hurts accuracy. Crossing scratches would ,I think, be worse as they sometimes contact bare side and sometimes catch seams.

Andrewliu6294,
If you ever come to Hell Survivors in Michigan for any big game or scenario, I'll flexhone that barrel for free and if you're not happy, I'll buy you two to replace it. In fact, if you're not happy with the remaining scratches, just PM me for my address and pay to ship it to me, I'll pay to ship it back and still give a two barrel gaurantee.
Working for flexhone that still cracks me up!

Rob

jesus man, you win.. I don't have time nor drive to argue with a troll...
Flexhones may be superior.. I said that, battle swabs work, I said that, never called you a liar...

reflect on your posts, and you will notice that in every one, you quote someone specifically and bash on their provided information. That is trolling, you have no right to say that you have been "wrongly trolled"

Swabs are easy and cheap!!! thats what I have been saying.. buy a hone if you want..

seriously though "smith" calm down.. and don't be so hypocritical.. someone who doesn't read and grasp someone elses post shouldn't complain about their own..

anyway, I'm done with this thread.. hopefully the threadstarted will have polished barrel with a wanted bore by the time this is through.

[agentSmith]

I posted this:

On the old 'give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him to fish, feed him for ever' scene, Brush Research's excellent Flexhones are for sale at a fair price. Then you're set for life.
It's pretty simple, a little honing oil on the brush and make a few passes down the barrel with the hone on a hand drill and you're good to go:

Brush research Paintball section
Self centering and self tensioning, they work very well.

I recommend for touching up a barrel like you're doing the Levigated Alumina extra fine, it will take off the least amount of material per pass, and at $36.81 it's cheaper than it was when I bought my first one many years ago.

Rob

and got this:

Hone that barrel and you will have a SS sewer pipe, it will be huge bore. As long as the scratches are lateral and nor real odd one they are just fin and in fact help not hinder as the uninformed think. Just give the barrel a quick polish with a Redz battle swab use noting more aggressive than brass or silver polish.

AND I'M A TROLL???

But that's not why I'm posting. I went to my son's work after my previous post and he explained it so simply and clearly, I will try to copy it down as best I can:



This is a flexhone, it is self tensioning, that means that the limbs each berry are mounted on hold the berry against the wall of the cylinder with spring tension. In addition centrifugal force presses the berries even tighter(so slow speed!) so when the hone contacts the depression of a gouge it presses less hard or the ridge of a scratch it presses harder. A soft swab simply caves in and does what Andrewliu6294 observed, mostly polishes the scratches without removing them until you've taken off way more material than a hone would have. So swabs are NOT suitable for this application(meaning the scratches the OP mentions).

Repeatedly calling me a troll doesn't make it true, every time I quoted and rebutted someone elses post, THEY were directly contradicting something I had previously said. It's that you guys ganged up on me forcing me to respond to multiple attacks in every post, so check YOURSELF Sly1, my conscience is clear. so two more quotes and I'll leave this thread for greener pastures:
Sly1 says on page 4:

Flexhones may be superior.. I said that, battle swabs work, I said that, never called you a liar...

Sly1 says on page 2:

and actually, a battle swab, because of its semetrical shape will stay fairly centered, simply because of the even pressure along its circumfrence.. this is probably the best method for small wear repairs.. not only does it get them out, but it leaves plenty of material in the barrel for it to happen again. your hone will enlarge the bore incredibly each time.. so eventually you get to throw away a barrel..

would the real Sly1 please stand up?

EDIT: Thank you, Grendel!
Rob

[Azzy]

Originally Posted by Andrewliu6294

Thanks for the advice everyone. Don't worry about the sidetracking, it happens.

Anyway, I stuck a swab in a drill for the time being, and spun the thing inside the barrel with aluminum polish for a couple minutes. It's looking much shiner, with all of the smaller scratches gone, but the larger ones still remain. Should work better now.

Never hurts to try the cheaper and less destructive approach first, looks like it worked well.

That should of been the answer people... since polish removes less material and a flexhone can remove problems that an over polish would make, we have 2 steps to go, and either can arrive at the same destination.

Might I add, we arent talking about a rifle barrel here, or a shotgun... its an imperfect shape of gelatin we are hurdling down the barrel. A few small scratches, while visible, will not really bother things up.

[Jordan]

I still don't understand the trolling remarks.

I said you needed to match paint to a barrel with a closed bolt gun, and now there's three pages arguing that ball detents and barrel detents are the same, and that a flex hone is better than a barrel swab for polishing a barrel, and that we're all trolls and hate agentSmith for spreading the truth.

To agentSmith - if I trolled you, I must apologize. I misread what you typed, I won't do that again. Thanks for all the information on flexhones, though.

I still never got an answer, though - is the barrel not performing well? Is there a reason you want to polish it, other than personal preference?

Jordan

[Grendel]

Oh god mods please oh please close this thread

[russc]

Why? I'm learning about flex hones.

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by russc

Why? I'm learning about flex hones.

[Andrewliu6294]

I still never got an answer, though - is the barrel not performing well? Is there a reason you want to polish it, other than personal preference?

Jordan[/quote]
Sorry, I must've missed it.

The barrel had enough scratches in the bore that it was beginning to hinder accuracy. I managed to get rid of some of the smaller scratches, and the bore is much shinier now, but I haven't gotten a chance to play with it.

I will say that a certain someone did offer to hone/polish my barrel, and I will gladly thank them for it.

[Azzy]

Give it a try.

I will say this about the polish, there is a good chance you didnt take scratches per say out, but very dirty gelatin. Repoman was just telling me how his tight bore stainless barrel on the Viper builds up a good bit of gel streaks, which tends to have somewhat of an unpredictable flatline effect on the paint.

that might have been the issue... and it just needed cleaning