KP-2 or KP-3?

DeTrevni · 07-19-2008, 01:21 AM

Hey there, O Knowledgeable MCB!

Today, I pose an easy sounding question, but as I understand it, that may be misleading.

I recently acquired some Sheridan brass, under the assumption that it was a KP-3. Here's a few pics:

Now, I'd like to point out I do know the lower-tube thing. BUT, looking around I have discovered there were VERY few late-model KP-2 DF's that had a shorter lower tube as well. Why do I suspect this may be one? Well, amongst KP-3's, this one seems unique. Mainly, the stock and CO2 bracket. The bracket pictured was not the one that came stock on KP-3's, but is the original bracket on this stock. I know that because there are no holes or filled holes where the other bracket would have screwed in, which has a different screw pattern. Also, this has a rocking safety, which I understand (but am not certain) is different from KP-3's as well. If you guys would like any other pictures or info on a specific part let me be!

So far, I feel it's a late-model KP-2 DF, an early-model KP-3, or a restocked KP-3.

If it is a rarer short-tube KP-2 DF, what would you guys value this thing at? Heck, what would you value it at anyway, since I'm asking?

Thanks for any help, MCB! I'd really like to put this mystery behind me!

MrBig · 07-19-2008, 01:35 AM

I would say KP-3 due to the short lower tube and the speed demon bolt. I believe some KP-2 DFs came with the short lower tube, but I don't know about the speed demon bolt. As for the stock. Look at how the end of the stock isn't rounded. That makes me believe that this is a Sheridan Blue Streak stock modified to fit a KP. That would be why you don't have other holes in the stock other than those from the low profile co2 bracket.

Also, the rocker style trigger group is the more common trigger group. Also the more desirable in my opinion. I don't know if the newer ones worked as well.

DeTrevni · 07-19-2008, 01:42 AM

Thanks for the info! I'm still learning about brass. Been a 'cocker fanatic all my paintball life, and I think it's time to spread.

c6quad · 07-19-2008, 01:47 AM

it's a kp2-df that was upgraded to CA most likely. it could be a kp3 and they changed the factory CA bracket for a lower profile.

i've said this before and i can very well be wrong but from what i've seen... the only "factory" made kp2-df guns have short bottom tubes. every long tubed kp2-df i've seen started out as a side tube feed and was upgraded to df later. i know there were places that sold df kp2's brand new with the longer lower tube but i think the df was added by a third party and not from the factory direct. i'd like to find a "factory" kp2-df with a long lower tube. to me, that would be more rare than the short tube version.

c6quad · 07-19-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBig

I would say KP-3 due to the short lower tube and the speed demon bolt. I believe some KP-2 DFs came with the short lower tube, but I don't know about the speed demon bolt. As for the stock. Look at how the end of the stock isn't rounded. That makes me believe that this is a Sheridan Blue Streak stock modified to fit a KP.

the kp2-df did come with SD bolts for sure.

the flat front end doesn't mean it's a BS stock. a lot of the later models had flatter front ends. Drum had a pic that clearly shows that. maybe he'll post the pic. it was in a magazine ad.

DeTrevni · 07-19-2008, 01:56 AM

Hm. That's interesting. Well, to cite where I got the "very rare" thing, check this out. It's the Sheridan ID page at vm68.com. Scroll down to the KP's. It says very few were factory with short lower tubes.

MrBig · 07-19-2008, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c6quad

the kp2-df did come with SD bolts for sure.

the flat front end doesn't mean it's a BS stock. a lot of the later models had flatter front ends. Drum had a pic that clearly shows that. maybe he'll post the pic. it was in a magazine ad.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I wasn't sure about the bolt, but I thought all KP stocks were rounded. Good to know.

c6quad · 07-19-2008, 02:12 AM

DeTrevni, i've seen that. i still believe in what i typed above and i'll say again... i may be wrong about it, i've been wrong before. also, keep in mind that i'm talking about factory made. Ray Charles can see that there are kp2's w/df that have long lower tubes but are they factory df?

no problem MrB. Drum and i sent a few PM's a while back about these stocks. hopefully he'll join in the discusion.

DeTrevni · 07-19-2008, 02:21 AM

Just allowing for possibilities.

If this was a factory KP-2 DF with a C/A, would that make it any more valuable than a KP-3? I just like knowing what my collection is worth.

Frink · 07-19-2008, 02:49 AM

I really think it would be worth more. If it is, great, I've got 2 KP2-DF's

07-19-2008, 01:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	KP-2 or KP-3? Hey there, O Knowledgeable MCB! Today, I pose an easy sounding question, but as I understand it, that may be misleading. I recently acquired some Sheridan brass, under the assumption that it was a KP-3. Here's a few pics: Now, I'd like to point out I do know the lower-tube thing. BUT, looking around I have discovered there were VERY few late-model KP-2 DF's that had a shorter lower tube as well. Why do I suspect this may be one? Well, amongst KP-3's, this one seems unique. Mainly, the stock and CO2 bracket. The bracket pictured was not the one that came stock on KP-3's, but is the original bracket on this stock. I know that because there are no holes or filled holes where the other bracket would have screwed in, which has a different screw pattern. Also, this has a rocking safety, which I understand (but am not certain) is different from KP-3's as well. If you guys would like any other pictures or info on a specific part let me be! So far, I feel it's a late-model KP-2 DF, an early-model KP-3, or a restocked KP-3. If it is a rarer short-tube KP-2 DF, what would you guys value this thing at? Heck, what would you value it at anyway, since I'm asking? Thanks for any help, MCB! I'd really like to put this mystery behind me! __________________ 45 people like me thus far, and none don't!

07-19-2008, 01:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
MrBig MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Lansing, MI	I would say KP-3 due to the short lower tube and the speed demon bolt. I believe some KP-2 DFs came with the short lower tube, but I don't know about the speed demon bolt. As for the stock. Look at how the end of the stock isn't rounded. That makes me believe that this is a Sheridan Blue Streak stock modified to fit a KP. That would be why you don't have other holes in the stock other than those from the low profile co2 bracket. Also, the rocker style trigger group is the more common trigger group. Also the more desirable in my opinion. I don't know if the newer ones worked as well. __________________ Over 100 Items For Sale Feedback

07-19-2008, 01:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Thanks for the info! I'm still learning about brass. Been a 'cocker fanatic all my paintball life, and I think it's time to spread. __________________ 45 people like me thus far, and none don't!

07-19-2008, 01:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Hm. That's interesting. Well, to cite where I got the "very rare" thing, check this out. It's the Sheridan ID page at vm68.com. Scroll down to the KP's. It says very few were factory with short lower tubes. __________________ 45 people like me thus far, and none don't!

07-19-2008, 02:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
DeTrevni Now rockin' the Dux! Join Date: Sep 2006	Just allowing for possibilities. If this was a factory KP-2 DF with a C/A, would that make it any more valuable than a KP-3? I just like knowing what my collection is worth. __________________ 45 people like me thus far, and none don't!

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