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methusaleh 10-23-2006 08:39 PM

Nelspot 007 Burning Question in my mind!
 
I asked this over on SpecOps a while ago and nobody had an answer.

First of all, FWIW, I never knew there was a NelSpot before the 007, I always thought the 007 was the forestry marker I always heard about.

However one thing which I remember clearly, is that there was a decal on the rear part of the trigger frame, right below the valve, that said "NelSpot 007" in gold colored script writing. I remember my friend's field when I started playing in 1987, the guns were still in good enough condition that they all had those decals on them. Of course given the hands and playing style of a bunch of wild kids, the decals did not last too long...

So...how come I never, ever, see photos of guns with those decals on them? I know I wasn't imagining it because I even owned one once the field upgraded to Rapides.

Crazy German 10-23-2006 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by methusaleh (Post 46960)
I asked this over on SpecOps a while ago and nobody had an answer.

First of all, FWIW, I never knew there was a NelSpot before the 007, I always thought the 007 was the forestry marker I always heard about.

However one thing which I remember clearly, is that there was a decal on the rear part of the trigger frame, right below the valve, that said "NelSpot 007" in gold colored script writing. I remember my friend's field when I started playing in 1987, the guns were still in good enough condition that they all had those decals on them. Of course given the hands and playing style of a bunch of wild kids, the decals did not last too long...

So...how come I never, ever, see photos of guns with those decals on them? I know I wasn't imagining it because I even owned one once the field upgraded to Rapides.


Yeah, i knew there was the "707" but i keep hearing about a pre 007 model, but its been described as just the "Nelspot"...and if someone has a pic of that decal it would help me out a little, i'm restoring my 007
thanks

pwpaintball 10-23-2006 09:07 PM

Like this one?

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/...07_sticker.jpg
If you want a better one I will get another one.

Crazy German 10-23-2006 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwpaintball (Post 46971)
Like this one?

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/...07_sticker.jpg
If you want a better one I will get another one.

thats good, thanks

B 10-23-2006 09:54 PM

No stickers survived on play guns because they were paper based. If you look around in the gallerys you will see a few.

methusaleh 10-23-2006 10:33 PM

pwpaintball that is the exact logo I have been searching for all these years!!! Thanks a lot for sharing that! I knew I wasn't hallucinating!

Al Ray 10-24-2006 06:58 PM

I have the second oldest "nelspot" (not a 007, but prety much identical, and the age thing is debateable) known to survive. Its one of three "3 tack" nelsons known to exist, however there were at least 235~ 3 tacks origionaly. Its circa 1974 1975, and has what I belive to be a serial number. Its hard to tell if it is in fact a serial number but out of the three 3 tacks only two have an origional frame and those two have differant nubers in the same place (mine is SN 235, the other is IIRC SN 214) which leaves the other explanations for the number looking pretty slim. The frame is also hand ground (powerline frame)to fit at the rear, this leaves the frame rounded rather than square as on later models. There is one other nelsopt (non 3 tack forestry model) that has what might be a hand ground frame, but due to the historical significance of the gun, the owner did not want to remove the right grip to check for the stamped number, and could not tell if the frame was hand fit or not. Other than the Serial Number and the patent number, there are no stampings on these guns. The only referance to Nelson is the Nelson logo on the grip and a sticker under the grip that reads "The Nelson Paint Co. Iron Mountain, Mich. 49801" There are a bunch of littel diferences on the 3 tacks, VS other nelsons. I used to detailed photographs of these on the old site in my gallery, but those were lost with the crash, I'll have to carefully dissasembel and re document the gun again for everone. So yes there are "007s" that are not technicly 007s

Al Ray 10-24-2006 07:53 PM

Here are some photos> i did not compleatly dissassemble the gun this time around as I dont have the time at the moment.

First up the left side of the gun, Note the barrel/magazine baracing and how it has 3 sets of tack or spot welds (hince "3 tack")

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel1.JPG

Next the muzzle of the gun. Note the barcing again and the shrp edge of the barrel bore, newer examples of sleveless nelspots have more of a rounded edge. Also the cap/plug has "E12" molded into it

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel2.JPG


The next three pictures are of the hand fit/ground frame. Note the flat spot (higlighted in second photo) Also note the end of the bolt as it is very uniform in shape

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel3.JPG

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel4.JPG

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel5.JPG


Next is the sticker inside the left grip

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel6.JPG

Next up is the Serial number, its hard to see but is near the bottom left hand corner. Also note the 3 piece enerjet changer as found on most all forestry models (ring, threaded, smaller than normal, shaft, and enerjet cup that swivles )

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel7.JPG

Next is the molded "wedge" on the side of the frame

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel8.JPG

Next is the top tube (magazine) note the lack of stampings of any kind as found on later models

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/500/3tnel9.JPG

Next is the rear frame screw, note how the threading is exactly as long as in need be. Also note (not visable) that this is a flat head screw, rather that a phillips as on later models

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/...00/3tnel10.JPG

NExt up is a veiw of the grip frame adaptor/rail. Note the lack of the second screw that is found on later models. Also note the lack of the "keyhole" ( the keyhole was added when the 12 gram peirce pin was changed to the "cup" version, all forestry modles will have the "pin" verson as does this model)
Second photo is a veiw of the "pin" and sear

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/...00/3tnel11.JPG

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/...00/3tnel12.JPG

Fianly, the patent number, which is smaller than later models

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/...00/3tnel13.JPG

Crazy German 10-24-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Ray (Post 47382)
I have the second oldest "nelspot" (not a 007, but prety much identical, and the age thing is debateable) known to survive. Its one of three "3 tack" nelsons known to exist, however there were at least 235~ 3 tacks origionaly. Its circa 1974 1975, and has what I belive to be a serial number. Its hard to tell if it is in fact a serial number but out of the three 3 tacks only two have an origional frame and those two have differant nubers in the same place (mine is SN 235, the other is IIRC SN 214) which leaves the other explanations for the number looking pretty slim. The frame is also hand ground (powerline frame)to fit at the rear, this leaves the frame rounded rather than square as on later models. There is one other nelsopt (non 3 tack forestry model) that has what might be a hand ground frame, but due to the historical significance of the gun, the owner did not want to remove the right grip to check for the stamped number, and could not tell if the frame was hand fit or not. Other than the Serial Number and the patent number, there are no stampings on these guns. The only referance to Nelson is the Nelson logo on the grip and a sticker under the grip that reads "The Nelson Paint Co. Iron Mountain, Mich. 49801" There are a bunch of littel diferences on the 3 tacks, VS other nelsons. I used to detailed photographs of these on the old site in my gallery, but those were lost with the crash, I'll have to carefully dissasembel and re document the gun again for everone. So yes there are "007s" that are not technicly 007s


My 007 has a number stamped into the grip frame also, number 175, but has the stamped tube with NELSPOT "007" R..i can post pics if anyone wants, but i don't have any reason to beleive mine is anything special, though one thing that interested me is that my grip also looks to be hand ground, its rounded at least

Al Ray 10-25-2006 12:36 AM

Does the barrel bracing extend to the front of the barrel? Definitly interested in pictures. Im thinking, judging by what you have desribed that yours might be a "parts" gun, in that it was built from parts. However IIRC the Walace Nel-spot (the gun with historical value that I had mentioned) now owned by drum, has the rounded frame, and is a standard tack brace as well. What exactly is stmped into the top of your nelson? just Nel-spot 007? or Nelspot "007" The nelson paint comapny.....ect..." Definitly interested in pitures. It should help narrow things down a bit, as until yours only two nelspots that I know of have a "serial" number stamped in the frame.


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