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Old 03-09-2014, 02:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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CIP vs. Carter boxguns

Hey guys, anybody know the differences? Internals and such?
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Hey guys, anybody know the differences? Internals and such?
I have never owned a carter boxgun, but I did own a CIP boxgun and currently own a duck.

For my money, if I were to do it all over again (knowing what I know now about Carter's construction), I would have passed on the CIP and waited for the Carter.
  • The CIP boxgun had a MASSIVE bore diameter that was not suitable for modern paint.
  • The CIP's bolt and velocity adjuster were prone to cross threading
  • The metal that comprised the valve and power tube assembly was cheap and prone to galling.

Now, as a piece of history, it was fantastic. Further, the anno job on mine was superbe. I did not regret owning it, but it did just make me want the 'real thing', an actual duck.
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Wait, were you asking about the quality, or what parts are swappable between guns? Or between other nelson clones?
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Just wanted to know the differences, so CIP was an imitation of the carter then? What was the price difference? Was the CIP barrel removable?
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Just wanted to know the differences, so CIP was an imitation of the carter then? What was the price difference? Was the CIP barrel removable?
I think imitation is a strong word. I have never spoken to Carter, much less asked him his opinions on the CIP box guns, but I think it was more of an homage on Glen's part. What Carter and David Loo did with the gecko blaster and the original desert ducks can't be over overstated. They made iconic paintball guns. And to the best of my knowledge, the CIP boxgun is based almost entirely based on Carter and David's early 'boxgun esque' prototypes.

Now, do I consider Mongo's Redux to be an imitation duck? No, for many of the same reasons.

The barrel was not removable.

Ignore the money. When you are talking about high end nelsons like these, a few hundred dollars here or there means nothing. The real concern is time. Remember that these pieces only pop onto the market every once in a while. And don't forget, a new Carter does have some lead time. Base your decision on part availability, collectability, historical value, condition, etc. Then spend your money accordingly.

And before you ask: Do I regret getting rid of my original boxgun? I don't miss 220fps, balls rolling out the barrel, or having to make a tool to get into the value without marring it. But then again, I miss it every time my I see this picture:

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I guild a CIP box gun from glens leftover parts a couple of years ago. Pretty nice build on it I found it to be a quality marker. I had plans to get a new snub for it but ended up trading it towards a carter duck. Ive owned 2 Carter box guns and they are nice but I dont care for the new long style really. Too bulky. I had some issues with mine as well. If anything I would say the old style carter box gun that is shaped like the CIP is the nicest variant.
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