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Old 03-09-2017, 09:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Prefer Phantom Over Sniper?

Similar discussions have been had I am sure, but do you prefer Phantom (Nelson valve) over the Sniper platform, and why?

I have owned nice CCMs, and recently built a nifty Snipe but find that I miss the single tube, lighter weight, and versatility of the Phantom - especially stock class.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I didn't at first but do now somewhat. There was a steep learning curve.

For me it's about the phantom. Crazy simple and reliable. And with all mike's updates they have very few drawbacks and a ton of positives. They can be set up many different ways to suit the user. Now that I have the hang of it I love it.
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Old 03-09-2017, 10:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've been trying to follow slap's lead and get used to it but haven't yet. It's a far superior setup in a stock class configuration versus the sniper.

I just need to do some shooting and get out there and do some playing!
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I prefer the phantom in stock class and open class. I have owned a CCM, but I ended up selling it. My main marker is a Lapco grey ghost (basically a tweeked phantom).
For open class, it is harder to get a good undercocking kit for a phantom, but it is possible. It is also hard to break in the phantom to be smooth, but it can be pretty smooth.
I prefer phantoms for two reasons in this order:
1. The single tube seems way more natural to me.
2. The simplicity.
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I prefer the phantom in stock class and open class. I have owned a CCM, but I ended up selling it. My main marker is a Lapco grey ghost (basically a tweeked phantom).
For open class, it is harder to get a good undercocking kit for a phantom, but it is possible. It is also hard to break in the phantom to be smooth, but it can be pretty smooth.
I prefer phantoms for two reasons in this order:
1. The single tube seems way more natural to me.
2. The simplicity.
Much agreed. My Sniper almost feels *too* smooth from what I'm used to. I'll probably own both, saving Phantom for stock class only, although I always enjoyed open class with them.
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Started with a Nelspot. Went to a PGP and then to a KP. These were my tournament guns until the Bushmaster SI. I wore the Bushie out and bought a Phantom. Have had and still have several Snipers as I had teammates who swore by them. I can't shoot the damn things for the life of me. I stick with a Phantom now, and a Sterling. KP's and PGP's when I'm feeling "nostalgic".
The Snipers collect dust.
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Old 03-10-2017, 12:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm a diehard Sniper fan. I've been playing with one Sniper or another as my go to marker since early 90's. I love the way it points, very natural. It's almost like an extension of my hand. And I swear it shoots further than any normal barreled gun out there. My current Snipers are super quiet too.

I can see the allure of the Phantom. I have two. The light weight is amazing, and the damn things just always work. but even with an undercooking kit they're no way near as smooth as my Snipers. They are the bomb as dedicated stock class markers though. My Snipers are super low pressure open class only guns.
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Phantom is great for Stock Class but for open class you can't beat the sniper platform. The phantom as an open class marker dose the job but I feel the sniper dose it better. What I do like about the phantom is how cheap it is to have a marker that dose everything and can be converted to suit your style. They are rock solid reliable, cheap but still great shooters. I feel like every pump player should own a phantom.
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I think it just depends on priorities. Is the smoothest pump stroke known to man more important, or running around like a lunatic?

Call me crazy, but isn't pump all about the added challenge? Doesn't a more challenging pump stroke add a little something something in the machismo category?

I mean shooting people out should just be a backup plan for when you can't run up and barrel tag them first. Am I right?
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I think it just depends on priorities. Is the smoothest pump stroke known to man more important, or running around like a lunatic?

Call me crazy, but isn't pump all about the added challenge? Doesn't a more challenging pump stroke add a little something something in the machismo category?

I mean shooting people out should just be a backup plan for when you can't run up and barrel tag them first. Am I right?
Some very valid points!!
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