CCM Pneumatics?

oggfueler · 08-23-2008, 01:52 AM

I'd have to think that CCM makes a great pneumatic set-up but just looking for personal experiences from the CCM crowd here.

Where do the CCM pneumatics rank with you guys?

Motorhead · 08-23-2008, 02:06 AM

Not to be petty over small details, CCM did a fine job with fit and finish.
The overall function, fit and finish only bettered by a FULL Palmers pneumatics set.

Cunha · 08-23-2008, 02:40 AM

They work fine and dandy. I would honestly rather have a set of 05 WGP pro stock pneumatics though. The 4 ways were leakish but everything else got the job done.

Basically - Any adjustable reg is good, though PPS is king

PPS, Belsales, and Shocktech 4 ways are good. PPS 4 ways are more difficult to time than others but are the shortest and some might say the best. Shocktechs dont seal as easily at low LPR pressures with their stock O rings they can be leaky, but easy to work with and time also very short. Belsales is a good in between and is what id choose if I was to build another cocker.

PPS, Belsales, MPP rams are exceptional and still available. Id probably get an MPP or PPS. Belsales are pretty and black aluminum but they arent as tough, finicky compared to PPS and MPP. A PPS ram or MPP that never gets bent will last for the lifetime of your trigger finger..likely. Belsales are rebuildable..because they sacrifice long term durability for their non frictiony feeling..

non Bent (AKA not screwed up) stock WGP rams are totally fine, so are their adjustable LPR's but I dont like ones with finger knobs because everyone that picks up my cocker wants to turn them.

ANS rams are also good. Neat and small though the black color on the nut wears off instantly.

The best full kit is the PPS kit but I'd probably run a mix and match and be all the better...but less matching so I'd consider just a full PPS kit.

WGP Mp4 rams are neat but really are just stock ram quality with built in QEV's. But really..good non ruined stock WGP stuff is great..including the mp4 which is black..so if you dont want a silver ram than its a good option.

Just depends on how much you want to spend.

CCM ram I havent had great luck with but it is a simple design, I just dont find them very robust. CCM LPR is fine, CCM 4 way wants to leak, but also works fine.

But they look good. You have to give them that. They are by no means BAD but if I was buying new id get something else. If I was buying used i'd still get something else. If I had a series 5 semi (ive had several) id use them until they give me problems that arent easy to fix (and ignore the fact that whenever I touch the timing rod the 4 way leaks). I have had a few series 5 semi's and they had stock CCM pneumatics and they shot great. Working cockers should never be worked on because than they will need to be worked on.

Talfuchre · 08-23-2008, 11:03 AM

Wow - I thought I was going to have input. But I really think Cunha has made very good and qualified observations.

TF

oggfueler · 08-23-2008, 04:38 PM

That's a mouthful,,, or keyboardful Cunha,,, I appreciate that you took the time in providing me with that info,,, much thanks.

Cunha · 08-23-2008, 10:41 PM

Glad I could help. My apologies for the poorly written and occasionally redundant post. I try to make it legible but it could obviously use some heavy editing.

I usually sacrifice quality for speed when posting :P

GL with your cocker. The hardest thing for me about them is to keep myself from hoarding parts "Well I may need a backup bomb 4 way down the line" and eventually you have 4 of them and 3 LPR's and a mile and a half of LPR hose.

Just get the thing dialed in and shoot it like there is no tomorrow. A well timed cocker that is decently taken care of will shoot great for a very very long time.

Explosive aka "X" · 09-04-2008, 02:23 PM

My CCM LPR leaked left and right...wasn't too thrilled with it.

I have a CCM 3-way on my black VF Tac Cocker and no problems with it & it makes for a short trigger pull.

CCM Ram's work well, but Shocktech, Besales are better

Cunha · 09-04-2008, 10:28 PM

Shocktech rams are no better than stock WGP stuff.

Which is why modern day stock cockers are pretty freakin good.

pump · 09-14-2008, 07:30 PM

the CCM ram is the smoothest fastest cycling ram i have ever used
heres my rant about it
CCM ram mod....to the MAX!!!!

08-23-2008, 01:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
oggfueler Active Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: maui,hi	CCM Pneumatics? I'd have to think that CCM makes a great pneumatic set-up but just looking for personal experiences from the CCM crowd here. Where do the CCM pneumatics rank with you guys?

08-23-2008, 02:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Motorhead Seasoned Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern California U.S.A.	Not to be petty over small details, CCM did a fine job with fit and finish. The overall function, fit and finish only bettered by a FULL Palmers pneumatics set. __________________ Older & Slower ... But well armed. Motorheads feedback

08-23-2008, 11:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Talfuchre Brown Chicken, Brown Cow. Join Date: May 2006	Wow - I thought I was going to have input. But I really think Cunha has made very good and qualified observations. TF __________________ Pumpenstein - NSA National Champions 2006 TF's MCB Trust.

09-04-2008, 02:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
Explosive aka "X" Active Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sarasota - Bradeton FL (under Tampa)	My CCM LPR leaked left and right...wasn't too thrilled with it. I have a CCM 3-way on my black VF Tac Cocker and no problems with it & it makes for a short trigger pull. CCM Ram's work well, but Shocktech, Besales are better __________________ play with honor & courage, but most of all play to have FUN! - My feedback paintball is a disease I've suffered from since 1988...

09-14-2008, 07:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
pump Seasoned Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: under Kapiolani on ramp	the CCM ram is the smoothest fastest cycling ram i have ever used heres my rant about it CCM ram mod....to the MAX!!!! __________________ Hawaiipb.com Autotriggers For Sale

08-23-2008, 02:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA	They work fine and dandy. I would honestly rather have a set of 05 WGP pro stock pneumatics though. The 4 ways were leakish but everything else got the job done. Basically - Any adjustable reg is good, though PPS is king PPS, Belsales, and Shocktech 4 ways are good. PPS 4 ways are more difficult to time than others but are the shortest and some might say the best. Shocktechs dont seal as easily at low LPR pressures with their stock O rings they can be leaky, but easy to work with and time also very short. Belsales is a good in between and is what id choose if I was to build another cocker. PPS, Belsales, MPP rams are exceptional and still available. Id probably get an MPP or PPS. Belsales are pretty and black aluminum but they arent as tough, finicky compared to PPS and MPP. A PPS ram or MPP that never gets bent will last for the lifetime of your trigger finger..likely. Belsales are rebuildable..because they sacrifice long term durability for their non frictiony feeling.. non Bent (AKA not screwed up) stock WGP rams are totally fine, so are their adjustable LPR's but I dont like ones with finger knobs because everyone that picks up my cocker wants to turn them. ANS rams are also good. Neat and small though the black color on the nut wears off instantly. The best full kit is the PPS kit but I'd probably run a mix and match and be all the better...but less matching so I'd consider just a full PPS kit. WGP Mp4 rams are neat but really are just stock ram quality with built in QEV's. But really..good non ruined stock WGP stuff is great..including the mp4 which is black..so if you dont want a silver ram than its a good option. Just depends on how much you want to spend. CCM ram I havent had great luck with but it is a simple design, I just dont find them very robust. CCM LPR is fine, CCM 4 way wants to leak, but also works fine. But they look good. You have to give them that. They are by no means BAD but if I was buying new id get something else. If I was buying used i'd still get something else. If I had a series 5 semi (ive had several) id use them until they give me problems that arent easy to fix (and ignore the fact that whenever I touch the timing rod the 4 way leaks). I have had a few series 5 semi's and they had stock CCM pneumatics and they shot great. Working cockers should never be worked on because than they will need to be worked on.

08-23-2008, 04:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
oggfueler Active Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: maui,hi	That's a mouthful,,, or keyboardful Cunha,,, I appreciate that you took the time in providing me with that info,,, much thanks.

08-23-2008, 10:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA	Glad I could help. My apologies for the poorly written and occasionally redundant post. I try to make it legible but it could obviously use some heavy editing. I usually sacrifice quality for speed when posting :P GL with your cocker. The hardest thing for me about them is to keep myself from hoarding parts "Well I may need a backup bomb 4 way down the line" and eventually you have 4 of them and 3 LPR's and a mile and a half of LPR hose. Just get the thing dialed in and shoot it like there is no tomorrow. A well timed cocker that is decently taken care of will shoot great for a very very long time.

09-04-2008, 10:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA	Shocktech rams are no better than stock WGP stuff. Which is why modern day stock cockers are pretty freakin good.

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