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ves206 03-26-2013 03:30 PM

freak inserts
 
Hey guys. Im looking at the freak kits more and more lately. Now i was wondering how close to actual bore sizes are the tolerances? Is the 679 actually 679? Looking for your inputs...
Also how quiet is the all American vs a j&j?


Thank you.

Danny D 03-26-2013 03:47 PM

They are good. The stainless ones are better. Ive been using the aluminum ones without issue.

The marker will determine the loudness. But the AA is hard to beat.

MaD 03-26-2013 04:15 PM

The sizes wander around quite a bit and are a bit off. I have 3 blue .689s and they're all slightly different sizes. They're generally within +- .001 though. In the end it doesn't matter a lot. If you are shooting tiny paint and your ".679" is actually .680 what's it really matter? You're still going to size the paint to your inserts. If you run "blow test" size, what size you use is whatever works. If you underbore, you take that result and pick 1 or 2 inserts smaller.

The other thing about the freak kit is that the top 3 or 4 inserts are basically throw aways. In the AL kit you'll probably never use anything above .689 so the .691, .693 and .695 are just junk. The stainless kit is worse because it shifted a size up so you don't get a .679 but you DO get a .697.... so more expensive kit with FOUR useless sizes. IMHO you're better off buying piecemeal and getting a couple smaller ones. GOG, Ty and PPS all have smaller inserts than were available in the kits.

I did get really bored one day and made a list too. :D
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/d...ncrements.html

Donut SD 03-26-2013 05:02 PM

Piece it together. I only use four inserts out of my whole kit. At least I got a nice case :P. sound wise yes marker will make the difference. I like the sound combos with my AA front.

ves206 03-26-2013 10:54 PM

Ya. Im looking at the stainless in 675/679/682/684 as i haven't found paint bigger then 682 or smaller 676. Just making sure its worth buying that close of sizes or skip the 682.

PistolRogue 03-27-2013 05:03 AM

All of the ones I have I've mic'd out and are exactly what size they're labelled as but I know this hasn't been the case for everyone. I too just use a range of them, .675/.679/.682/.686 should pretty well cover you for todays paint, at least what I've been seeing over the past year to two years.

Gadget_ 03-27-2013 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaD (Post 2665807)
The sizes wander around quite a bit and are a bit off. I have 3 blue .689s and they're all slightly different sizes. They're generally within +- .001 though. In the end it doesn't matter a lot. If you are shooting tiny paint and your ".679" is actually .680 what's it really matter? You're still going to size the paint to your inserts. If you run "blow test" size, what size you use is whatever works. If you underbore, you take that result and pick 1 or 2 inserts smaller.

The other thing about the freak kit is that the top 3 or 4 inserts are basically throw aways. In the AL kit you'll probably never use anything above .689 so the .691, .693 and .695 are just junk. The stainless kit is worse because it shifted a size up so you don't get a .679 but you DO get a .697.... so more expensive kit with FOUR useless sizes. IMHO you're better off buying piecemeal and getting a couple smaller ones. GOG, Ty and PPS all have smaller inserts than were available in the kits.

Exactly the point I was going to make. It doesn't matter how close the inserts are to the advertised size, provided they're all different sizes in a range from small to large. It's not like you'll be measuring your paintballs with calipers and then selecting an insert. :)

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the larger inserts though - case in point below. Clear shell/fill paint for an urban event last year - a .693 was slightly underbored, with a .695 a nice snug blow-through fit.

http://www.chimpy.com/misc/fatty.jpg

240SX 03-27-2013 06:54 AM

I very rarely look at the sizes on the inserts, I just start grabbing them and see which one fits.

Cottontail 03-27-2013 08:31 AM

I just ordered a large stack of the SS freak kits for my store, I love em.

brokeass_baller 03-27-2013 09:31 AM

I've been using my Freak kit for 10 years now. Since I bought it, i haven't used any other barrel.

I'll just leave it at that.


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