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[Marauder_Pilot]

I'd consider it a dirty, underhand and borderline illegal (And not necessarily borderline, depending on who's running the game) trick, the same as someone walking up in a jersey like the refs have and shooting you. I'd be very pissed if it happened to me.

[doc Zox]

[MaD]

Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

I would agree.
That is not much more different then a "Dead Man Walk", as you are purposely tricking people into thinking you are not in the game.

While faking you are out of paint, or air? Thats perfectly fine. I used to do the trick where I would lift my THUMB up so the cocking knob could not reset, and let it SOUND like I was out of air. I might swear, and curse to add to the effect.

nick

I don't like this particular deception for all of the reasons stated. I do think that deception has a solid place in the sport though. My goal in a lot of woods games is simply to sneak behind them and pretend I'm on their team while shooting them in the back.

I used to do the Dead Man Walk all the time. I guess it depends on what you consider it, and how you do it. All I did was walk normally at my "out" pace, on the field directly through the other teams territory. I never gave any indication I was out, just walked gun down (not up in the air), and head down a little. I got asked "you out" / or was just shot frequently by players that paid attention. Refs and other players never had once had an issue with it... and the guys I got in the firefights with were always greatly amused. Usually it went something like:
Them: "You out"
Me: "not yet"
pew pew pew pew
Both: Crap... OUT!
<walk off together laughing>

[Cunha]

To respond to HP

Pretending to be out of air or paint is different. No one is eliminated until they put their hands up in the air and say "OUT" or whatever the field tells you to say.

How about having 2 buddies help you walk (your arms around each of their shoulders) and hobble past enemies while sort of moaning? Get behind them and tag them all out. A tactic like this should be illegal. Its a safety thing.

Again, everyone would bonus ball players that are acting injured, just like they would anyone with a camera. Cant tell easily enough. Shoot first ask questions later is the safest motto in the short run and it would lead to shot up cameramen and actually injured people getting shot too.

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by Jackson

I can see how this could be funny.

But, please, don't take this as raining on your parade, or trying to spoil your fun, but at the scenarios I help put together (link in sig if you are interested in the legitimacy), this would NOT be happening. We purposely mention that there will be photographers on the field, DO NOT SHOOT THEM, they will shoot you. With film. This tactic takes advantage of that trust. Is it hard to see how people could make the jump to shooting all camera men because they got taken out by a fake one?

All I'm saying, is be careful and clear this with the producer first. You are really taking advantage of a bond of trust between players and camera men, and as a camera man, I would be VERY upset if people started taking shots at me and my expensive camera because YOU were pulling this trick.

Then we could use any other of methods to trick players.

I have used:
lost radio
lost gear
looking for a wiper

You would be amazed at how many people fall for the lost phone/radio bit

[noelydeeznutz]

Originally Posted by Harbinger[TG]

Then we could use any other of methods to trick players.

I have used:
lost radio
lost gear
looking for a wiper

You would be amazed at how many people fall for the lost phone/radio bit

HAHAHAHA, im trying that at d-day this year....

[Harbinger[TG]]

It is great for finding props, infiltrating bases, and the like. I have a lot of tricks up these old sleeves, but I am not going to post them all publicly.

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by Harbinger[TG]

Then we could use any other of methods to trick players.

I have used:
lost radio
lost gear
looking for a wiper

You would be amazed at how many people fall for the lost phone/radio bit

I have a problem with this form of deception. I never forget this is a game for fun and no one likes to lose money because of lost equipment. If a player came up stating they are looking for something they lost, no matter what team they are on, I would stop what I'm doing and help them look for it. I want everyone to have a good time and if you lose a costly or sentimental peice of equiment that you were willing to look for I would feel honor bond to help you find it if I can so the lost does not ruin the game for you. If you then eliminated me when I was willingly stepping out of the game to help a fellow player, it would assuredly piss me off.

As to the camera stunt I have mixed feelings about this. Not all that long ago there were some pretty sever threats made toward photojournalists at a major event [this has been cleared up so no more specifics]. Because of a stunt like stated here in the original post there were several teams that were deciding to SHOOT ALL PHOTOGRAPHERS ON SIGHT and the actively threatended the legitimate photograhers. This is because of one idiot who went around abusing his opposing team while posing as a Photographer. Now he did go as far as to use a "Photojournalist Jersey" which made it so much worse.

Now I do not know about the rest of you but I love seeing all the pictures from the events I've attended and most of the pictures are distrubuted free of charge. In fact I sometimes bring them over here for MCB membership to enjoy with free links to more galleries. If players start taking pot shots at these photographers, who did this most of the time free of charge, that will end.

We players have to at times look at the big picture of our actions verses just the instant gratification of pulling the wool over others' eyes.

[ThePixelGuru]

Yeah, I'm going to say that kind of deception isn't cool. I try not to shoot photographers, referees and players who are out, injured or missing equipment because I'm not a dick. Taking advantage of the fact that I'm being nice makes you a dick. It's just a game, there's no need for that.

[sparky]

Well I acually never bothered to read this thread after I posted it... I guess i should have....

First: The scenerio that I was playing at has never had some taking pictures on the field. Execpt that day, but was out BEFORE the other real photographer was out and about (for about 5 minutes at that). Was not even aware someone was taking pictures until after.

Second: I was wearing the mandatory 4 pieces colored tape required by the game rules. Nothing illegal, no orange vest. I wear a very obvious black suit jacket on the field and it's very very easy to spot.

Third: I did consult with the refs beforehand on the field. Nobody had a problem with that. Field owner had no problem's either with it. Hosted most of the western Canada CXBL events, which is a huge event series in Canada, so this field isn't some random "Bob's Paintball field".

I took even a few bounces during this. Yeapers, I had paintchecks still.

As far as I know, you don't need a marker to play any sort of paintball. I don't see a difference between having a pistol in your pocket/ in a holster on your back that nobody can see anyhow or no marker at all.

What about a broken marker on the field? Do we have to play paintball in a postion always ready to fire, looking "hostile" to the enemy? Can't just stand there for a minute, always having to look like a player?

I ran with a barrel last weekend at a scenerio. Again, no rules were broken, the players were barrel tagged. That's what it said in the scenerio's rules, a barrel tag. I eventually got shot out. I put a barrel plug in, held my barrel in the air and walked off the field. I took 10 shots from 5 feet for that one. I definatlly wasn't offered a mercy on that one, which WAS a rule. The players were illegally spawning too. Stood in front of the players for at least five minutes in the wide open. Not once was I asked if I was dead or alive, and gave NO indication that I was dead. Zero, None. I was talking, yelling bunkers and pulling flags in front of them.

I'll post the rules from the field later on when they are up again.

If your hand ain't up in the air and you don't have barrel plug in your marker, you can safely say your alive player and you will be shot at.

I'm about a clean a player as it gets, If there is a rule, I'll follow it.