Full/Auto and Single triggers

russc · 10-24-2006, 02:40 AM

Why are double triggers so dominant in paintball? From what I understand, they exist simply because of concern for safety and fire control. When they started to appear on electros, it was generally one pull, one shot, so of course using two fingers enabled greater legal rates of fire.

However, ergonomically speaking, double trigger frames don't allow for a great handle on markers. With two hands, you're essentially pivoting between your shoulder and your foregrip with nothing but your pinky and ring finger actually holding the grip. Looking at the firing modes widely accepted today, I don't understand why full-auto is frowned upon while ramping is encouraged. If anything, a precise automatic mode would allow for much greater rate of fire control than any sort of burt/turbo/ramp. Not only would firing be simpler and safer, but gun ergonomics could return closer to natural positions and balances seen in most firearms.

PolarMonkey · 10-24-2006, 05:31 AM

I totally agree. From what I understand, banning full auto was born out of insurance issues since shooting somebody multiple times quickly could cause injury. With todays electros shooting faster in "semi" mode than most full autos of yesteryear its become a totally outdated policy.

Spyder3188 · 10-24-2006, 09:06 AM

I think that at this point it is about sales. It would not be "cool" for all the little kids if it was a single trigger. I agree with the idea that a single trigger frame has a better feel.

Robertsr · 10-24-2006, 09:14 AM

I started with single and lived through the time when everyone was cutting off their guards and bolting on double trigger shoes. I've gotten quite used to a double trigger and prefer it now.

One positive for double triggers is that they are easier to use with protective gloves.

rathbaster · 10-24-2006, 09:28 AM

I've used single-slider triggers on my cockers as well as hinge (double) trigger frames.

It is easier to fire faster with a hinge frame than with a slider. The slider can still rip if set of properly, but this requires not only work of a physical nature (springs, lugs, etc) but that the user wish to take the time to master a skill. The vast majority of players are to lazy for that. (Including, these day, myself

)

-rat

Crash · 10-24-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PolarMonkey

I totally agree. From what I understand, banning full auto was born out of insurance issues since shooting somebody multiple times quickly could cause injury. With todays electros shooting faster in "semi" mode than most full autos of yesteryear its become a totally outdated policy.

This somewhat correct. The thing with it now is with the ramping/turbo/etc... if you don't release and then pull the trigger while firing, the gun will stop shooting. While with FA you hold the trigger it will fire till you let go, run out of air and or paint. The insurance companies are concerned with the idea that if someone falls or in some way the trigger jams in FA that you would have a constant stream of paint vs the controled "burst" with someone using a mode that requires several trigger pulls to activate it. Their thinking in a nutshell is no one would target a person with sustained fire on purpose while with FA it could happen on accident and this could dislodge a mask or cause some other serious injury.

knightmare96 · 10-24-2006, 11:15 AM

I gotta agree with the love of the singletriggers. If you want to combine Full Auto with a single trigger, I recomend a gun from ATS. The only gun I love my double trigger on is my X-valved mag. Before I got my blazer I tried out other peoples with the blade, and with the double finger, but I have to say the single trigger lets me point it one handed so much better.

As for the legality of full auto, most of the fields I play on allow full auto if they allow ramping. Once the don't allow ramping, they also don't allow full auto.

Gabe · 10-24-2006, 12:00 PM

There are 2 ways to really make the ROF battle equal on the fields.

1. Make all paintgun electronics a standard size. An event could issue the players with the same chip so nobody has an unfair advantage.

2. Make all tournament guns full auto and capped at a rate of fire. ROF could be easily managed that way.

Christian Nelson · 10-24-2006, 12:18 PM

Didn't angels used to have single triggers on thiers?

Shiba-Kun · 10-24-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by russc

However, ergonomically speaking, double trigger frames don't allow for a great handle on markers. With two hands, you're essentially pivoting between your shoulder and your foregrip with nothing but your pinky and ring finger actually holding the grip.

But since there's no recoil to deal with I don't think grip is as of that big a concern (also no sites LOL for that matter

) . Also if you've ever switched hands (when moving from one side of a bunker to another for example) having the largest sized trigger area is a plus.

BTW: Anybody ever "fanned" the trigger on a semi? Sticking your pointer finger into the trigger guard and moving it back-n-forth?

10-24-2006, 02:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
russc Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC	Full/Auto and Single triggers Why are double triggers so dominant in paintball? From what I understand, they exist simply because of concern for safety and fire control. When they started to appear on electros, it was generally one pull, one shot, so of course using two fingers enabled greater legal rates of fire. However, ergonomically speaking, double trigger frames don't allow for a great handle on markers. With two hands, you're essentially pivoting between your shoulder and your foregrip with nothing but your pinky and ring finger actually holding the grip. Looking at the firing modes widely accepted today, I don't understand why full-auto is frowned upon while ramping is encouraged. If anything, a precise automatic mode would allow for much greater rate of fire control than any sort of burt/turbo/ramp. Not only would firing be simpler and safer, but gun ergonomics could return closer to natural positions and balances seen in most firearms.

10-24-2006, 05:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
PolarMonkey Fleshy-headed mutant. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alaska	I totally agree. From what I understand, banning full auto was born out of insurance issues since shooting somebody multiple times quickly could cause injury. With todays electros shooting faster in "semi" mode than most full autos of yesteryear its become a totally outdated policy. __________________ Politicians are like diapers; they should be changed frequently, and for the same reason. Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.

10-24-2006, 09:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Robertsr Ultimate Battle Monkey Z Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Waynesboro, VA	I started with single and lived through the time when everyone was cutting off their guards and bolting on double trigger shoes. I've gotten quite used to a double trigger and prefer it now. One positive for double triggers is that they are easier to use with protective gloves. __________________ Geriatrically Assured Destruction

10-24-2006, 09:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
rathbaster Paintball Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Where's my GPS?	I've used single-slider triggers on my cockers as well as hinge (double) trigger frames. It is easier to fire faster with a hinge frame than with a slider. The slider can still rip if set of properly, but this requires not only work of a physical nature (springs, lugs, etc) but that the user wish to take the time to master a skill. The vast majority of players are to lazy for that. (Including, these day, myself ) -rat __________________ BSC Observatory

10-24-2006, 11:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
knightmare96 terrible speller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Central Indiana	I gotta agree with the love of the singletriggers. If you want to combine Full Auto with a single trigger, I recomend a gun from ATS. The only gun I love my double trigger on is my X-valved mag. Before I got my blazer I tried out other peoples with the blade, and with the double finger, but I have to say the single trigger lets me point it one handed so much better. As for the legality of full auto, most of the fields I play on allow full auto if they allow ramping. Once the don't allow ramping, they also don't allow full auto. __________________ Guns

10-24-2006, 09:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
Spyder3188 Active Member Join Date: Apr 2006	I think that at this point it is about sales. It would not be "cool" for all the little kids if it was a single trigger. I agree with the idea that a single trigger frame has a better feel.

10-24-2006, 12:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Gabe Blaster of Muppets Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chugiak, AK	There are 2 ways to really make the ROF battle equal on the fields. 1. Make all paintgun electronics a standard size. An event could issue the players with the same chip so nobody has an unfair advantage. 2. Make all tournament guns full auto and capped at a rate of fire. ROF could be easily managed that way. __________________ "There's nary a beast that can outrun a greased-up scotsman!" - Willie "What makes a VM so charming is that you can chop down small trees with it" - Jaan

10-24-2006, 12:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
Christian Nelson MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wisconsin	Didn't angels used to have single triggers on thiers?

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