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Old 06-05-2013, 04:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:11 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I just don't see the need, personally. I mean, with quality paint (Redemption, GI 4-Star, etc) and a proper bore match, both my Phantom and my eNMEy will put ball-on-ball all day long, don't break balls, and the paint breaks reliably on target.

Sure, you might could make a "better" paintball using the shell technology from the FSR, but at what cost? The whole reason I don't shoot FSRs is because of the .40-apiece price tag (as opposed to the roughly .04-apiece I pay for good, high-quality paint). I don't believe for a second that this new magic ball could possibly shoot 10x better than what I'm shooting now (there's not that much room for improvement), therefore it just wouldn't be worth 10x the cost. Not a chance.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:32 PM   #43 (permalink)
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My thoughts was not for a better paintball for existing guns. I was thinking along the lines of mil-sim mag fed guns.

I guess I should have clarified my thoughts. Paintballs are fine for paintball guns.

They just don't do well in mag fed guns.

Which is I assume a small portion of paintball industry.I really don't know.

I was assuming being in the First Strike forum we were talking mil-sim guns.
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Oh, oops. I missed the fact we were in this forum. I just hit the button that shows all new posts and start scanning.

But then, I guess I'm still lost as to the thought process. If you aren't happy with paintballs in your mag-fed gun, shoot FSR (since most, and it seems all recent and new ones, can take them). Why make an expensive paintball, that still won't perform as well as a FSR, yet costs about the same? Of course, I never claimed to understand milsimmers anyway, so...
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:12 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Our gun the SR1 is First Strike only. That's how I sell it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:24 PM   #46 (permalink)
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what would my sr1 do with a delrin miniball?
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:25 PM   #47 (permalink)
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My thoughts was not for a better paintball for existing guns. I was thinking along the lines of mil-sim mag fed guns.

I guess I should have clarified my thoughts. Paintballs are fine for paintball guns.

They just don't do well in mag fed guns.

Which is I assume a small portion of paintball industry.I really don't know.

I was assuming being in the First Strike forum we were talking mil-sim guns.
I agree.

However, I don't think of this forum as necessarily mil-sim. I think it's happenstance that most of the FS capable guns are mil-sim by their appearances (and mag-fed nature).

I believe most dedicated FS shooters crave function over form.

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Oh, oops. I missed the fact we were in this forum. I just hit the button that shows all new posts and start scanning.

But then, I guess I'm still lost as to the thought process. If you aren't happy with paintballs in your mag-fed gun, shoot FSR (since most, and it seems all recent and new ones, can take them). Why make an expensive paintball, that still won't perform as well as a FSR, yet costs about the same? Of course, I never claimed to understand milsimmers anyway, so...
I don't think he's into $.40/shot for regular round balls. He's talking about a projectile that doesn't exist- a projectile that better holds up to the operating environment in a mag fed gun but cheaper than FS rounds. Theoretically, it exists: Perfect Circle Paintball claims that their 'cheapest paintballs are $.10/ball'. Hydrotech was well on the way except they screwed up by using a less dense fill (assuming they could improve the fill method).

I also think people need to understand that mag-fed isn't only about mil-sim. When everyone is using mag-fed guns, the gameplay changes.
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what would my sr1 do with a delrin miniball?
We have messed around with delrin FS rounds. They shoot very good.

We also made some some miniball style bullets with not much success and poly balls were wild out of the rifle but they are very good to chrono with.
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I agree.

However, I don't think of this forum as necessarily mil-sim. I think it's happenstance that most of the FS capable guns are mil-sim by their appearances (and mag-fed nature).

I believe most dedicated FS shooters crave function over form.



I don't think he's into $.40/shot for regular round balls. He's talking about a projectile that doesn't exist- a projectile that better holds up to the operating environment in a mag fed gun but cheaper than FS rounds. Theoretically, it exists: Perfect Circle Paintball claims that their 'cheapest paintballs are $.10/ball'. Hydrotech was well on the way except they screwed up by using a less dense fill (assuming they could improve the fill method).

I also think people need to understand that mag-fed isn't only about mil-sim. When everyone is using mag-fed guns, the gameplay changes.

Well there you go. I know even less about mil-sim.
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So you are basically asking for a mag-fed ballistic equivalent to at least a FSR just cheaper that is ASTM approved for "paintball" play or to make a whole new game altogether using these "purpose built" rounds/guns.

This would take a lot to get off the ground. If like the "other" innovations of this sport from its beginnings to now with the mag-fed/FSR usage if you could make this product have an industrial or primary use that can be adapted into this or a different sport I think it might work but then again all you are really looking for is a mag-fed match-grade FSR marker/projectile that is "cheaper".

Basically as I see it the FSR is pretty much at the moment the common/modern cartridge round equivalent in paintball and even so it is not 100% accepted for use in the sport.

If you could get approved for general use in this sport a smaller elongated round that actually uses a "cartridge" or sleeve to hold the round in a magazine that is then projected using "air" at >300fps that would be at least the ballistic and marking equivalent of the FSR then you have something. Of course people are already complaining about the "pain" and/or extra damage a FSR can cause so.....


Not saying it can't be thought of or done but the cost would seem to be prohibitive for most ...


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