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Old 10-11-2006, 11:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I wouldn't call upon the bible as scientific evidence...

But I'll keep my mouth shut from now on, before I cause another flame war...
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Not scientific evidence no...


but if you're to have a meaningful discussion, you have to agree on a frame of reference. If the topic is the soul, which is a uniquely religious concept, you have to have a frame of reference with which to discuss that concept.

The bigger question might be what ramifications might there be if the clone did not have a soul...
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:09 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The bigger question might be what ramifications might there be if the clone did not have a soul...

Used car salesman. Duh!
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:18 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Soul is purly a abstract concept invented to justified our existance, I have solid evidence that there is no such thing as a human soul.

I once offered up my soul for a date with a Victoria's Secret model, well? needless to say she never showed up at my front door
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
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As the question is framed, it comes down to if you believe we have a soul. And then it hinges on what your faith is concerning that.

As a Christian I believe that yes the clone would have a soul.

Now if you want to really get things flowing you don’t just ask if the clone would have a soul, but WHEN it would be given it. That is a real barn burner of a debate, and even among similar religious groups a consensus can not be reached. It is a crucial focal point dealing with not only cloning but abortion as well.

And with that said….. I will NOT get into that discussion. LOL
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I wouldn't call upon the bible as scientific evidence...
The entire subject of a soul, and what it is or isn't is completely philisophical in nature, therefore science really would have not much involvment.

I used a mathemattical equation to explain my point, in other words I used logic to graphicly illustrate reason, which is a perfectly legitimate usage in philosophy..

The bible reference also gave further evidence for my reason for understading it as the equation showed.

I thought it was pretty simple..
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Religion is never simple.

Your mathemattical equation is based on your belief souls exist, therefor it has no real value to anybody else who doesn't think they exist.

But, like I said, if we'd just asume people have a soul, I'm going with Kidneythief's explanation.
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:41 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I think this should just be solved by the scientific method. Why bother wondering about it... test it. Lets clone somone, and see what happens. That may go a long way to proving/disproving a lot of things.
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:47 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Kidney thief's explenation assumes that a test tube baby would have a soul. In order for his conclusion to be made, one must decide wether that is true as well (believe me, this is a point of contention for some as well).

Well, how does one do that?

Saying it is so, isn't really helpful, therefore, I produced the logic which helps me to decide whether a being has a soul (or more accurately in my oppinion) or is a soul, then it can be further interpreted and extrapolated for instances I haven't encountered or listed, so that one can easily see what I believe, and how I come to that belief, and know where I stand, which fully answers the given question, and also isn't simply I think this or that.

I gave the "why" as well as the "what" about my beliefs in something that was more than a simple passing answer.

Being religeous means that I have devoted a bit more time in thinking about this subject than one who doesn't believe in a soul in the first place, soe I attempt to give a meaningful as possible answer to a good question.

No disrespect to Kidney Thief, but if one doesn't believe in the concept anyways, it is hard for them to give a truly meaningfull answer.

It's just a whimsical what if in thier mind.

To me it is more than that, hence my type of answer was more than just a what if.
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