First Look at CCM's Newest Pump Gun - Page 105

Inferno · 05-12-2012, 08:11 PM

Can't wait until someone puts pneus on it somehow

sniper97 · 05-12-2012, 09:10 PM

Hey, I held a local J12 in my hands today!

You have to see it in person, it is INCREDIBLE (like all other CCM stuff but more), the feel is very impressive, points like a dream. 14" barrel is the BOMB!

I launched 200 rds at the chrono station, chronoed a few rounds, it was very consistent. .679 insert w/ 14" barrel shot great! The paint was Draxxus Silver...not round, .677-.684 (I am giving up on Draxxus) and it shot great (my theory it that with bad paint, the CCM sizers are better than DW w/ freak inserts).

I am very poor with my left hand (working on this lately), and the J12 felt very natural in my left hand, I am not as accurate as with my right but fairly close.

86 trigger frame is very comfortable....I am sure a good friend of mine will post soon with pics, he played 4 games with it.

This was a prototype, there are a few minor issues to work out....I don't think it is fair to CCM to give exact details. Let me but it this way, if I had the chance to buy a prototype, it would be mine....defanitely getting loot together for the first run.

I honestly think if you held it your hand, played a few games with it, you would be sold on it! I definitely am.

D3adpool · 05-12-2012, 09:13 PM

huh? J12 you mean....

sniper97 · 05-12-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by D3adpool

huh? J12 you mean....

corrected...long day, reffing soccer, coaching soccer, playing paintball...great day!

DAVID(GEN) · 05-12-2012, 09:40 PM

Played at Xtream Paintball Park in Millstadt, IL and Sal let me play with the J12 prototype.
It was great and I loved playing with it. It was very consistent with the CCM .679 insert and Marbalizer. I was able to shoot lazers

Was very comfortable in the hands and the pump stroke wasn't bad at all.
I did notice a thing or two that could be fixed but you got to remember that I was playing with the PROTOTYPE.

If I had the money and didn't have my eye on another CCM (which will be the first CCM I'll own) I would defiantly get one when they come out.

Hogzilla88 · 05-12-2012, 10:11 PM

Was there a significant difference between the pump stroke on the J12 and a T2, S6, etc?

Also, does anyone have any numbers for the efficiency? I use a 13 ci most of the time, so efficiency is kind of a big deal for me.

ryanhall41 · 05-12-2012, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogzilla88

Was there a significant difference between the pump stroke on the J12 and a T2, S6, etc?

Also, does anyone have any numbers for the efficiency? I use a 13 ci most of the time, so efficiency is kind of a big deal for me.

Hopefully me or you will be able to test one out at our field. I have a gopro now so I could make some game play vids and I would love to find out some efficiency numbers

but a guy can only dream

sniper97 · 05-12-2012, 10:48 PM

I assume efficiency is the same, I only put 200 rd thru her and the gage on my 48/4500 didn't seem to move at all. Very consistent shot to shot.

Similar pump stoke, while a S6 is consistent thru the pump stroke, the J12 pump stroke seems just a tad stiffer at the end of the pump stroke. Again this is a prototype, when I was first shooting the J12, I noticed this. I am sure playing with it you would not notice at all. I assume this will be fixed before the release. This is very minor.

And for the record, I have shot a ton of guns: mech's, mags, cockers, electros, stock class, snipers. About 2 years ago, I purchased a S6 and have not touched another markers since then. I love playing pump.

The J12 just fits a little tighter than my S6. As shown above, it has a stock T-2 type of pump and I think it would be nicer with the T-grip, this is my preference!

CCM puts out quality stuff and their customer service is great!

Also have to say Extreme it top notch, Sal is a class act, awesome owner...by far, my fav place to play!

bokyo · 05-13-2012, 12:19 PM

i think that the price will be a little more but the big question is WHEN?

hawaiianking · 05-13-2012, 01:06 PM

Questions were asked about the T-slot on the Prototype (J12) and whether or not it was compatible with a PE asa. Snapped some pictures this weekend to compare the two. Note that this is a prototype J12 and may not reflect any changes to the design for final production. Also I am using a OOPS asa which I assume has the same T-rail as the POPS asa.

In general, the CCM t-rail has different dimensions from the PE t-rail. The CCM rail overall is thicker and more robust making the corresponding slot larger, so the CCM asa WILL NOT fit a PE slot but a PE asa WILL fit the CCM slot. I would not recommend using the PE asa though. With the larger CCM slot, there is a lot of side-to side play and only a small bearing area on one side. One good dive into a bunker and your PE asa is gonna rip off the gun and you are gonna have to buy a new grip frame.

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05-12-2012, 09:10 PM	#1042 (permalink)
sniper97 MCB Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Hey, I held a local J12 in my hands today! You have to see it in person, it is INCREDIBLE (like all other CCM stuff but more), the feel is very impressive, points like a dream. 14" barrel is the BOMB! I launched 200 rds at the chrono station, chronoed a few rounds, it was very consistent. .679 insert w/ 14" barrel shot great! The paint was Draxxus Silver...not round, .677-.684 (I am giving up on Draxxus) and it shot great (my theory it that with bad paint, the CCM sizers are better than DW w/ freak inserts). I am very poor with my left hand (working on this lately), and the J12 felt very natural in my left hand, I am not as accurate as with my right but fairly close. 86 trigger frame is very comfortable....I am sure a good friend of mine will post soon with pics, he played 4 games with it. This was a prototype, there are a few minor issues to work out....I don't think it is fair to CCM to give exact details. Let me but it this way, if I had the chance to buy a prototype, it would be mine....defanitely getting loot together for the first run. I honestly think if you held it your hand, played a few games with it, you would be sold on it! I definitely am. __________________ Originally posted by heinous: "sniper's gun always gets extra camera love" Last edited by sniper97; 05-12-2012 at 09:30 PM.

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05-12-2012, 10:11 PM	#1046 (permalink)
Hogzilla88 The cries of the carrots Join Date: May 2011 Location: Arlington, Tx	Was there a significant difference between the pump stroke on the J12 and a T2, S6, etc? Also, does anyone have any numbers for the efficiency? I use a 13 ci most of the time, so efficiency is kind of a big deal for me. __________________ Grey Ghost F/S/T Feedback CC Feedback

05-12-2012, 10:48 PM	#1048 (permalink)
sniper97 MCB Member Join Date: Jul 2006	I assume efficiency is the same, I only put 200 rd thru her and the gage on my 48/4500 didn't seem to move at all. Very consistent shot to shot. Similar pump stoke, while a S6 is consistent thru the pump stroke, the J12 pump stroke seems just a tad stiffer at the end of the pump stroke. Again this is a prototype, when I was first shooting the J12, I noticed this. I am sure playing with it you would not notice at all. I assume this will be fixed before the release. This is very minor. And for the record, I have shot a ton of guns: mech's, mags, cockers, electros, stock class, snipers. About 2 years ago, I purchased a S6 and have not touched another markers since then. I love playing pump. The J12 just fits a little tighter than my S6. As shown above, it has a stock T-2 type of pump and I think it would be nicer with the T-grip, this is my preference! CCM puts out quality stuff and their customer service is great! Also have to say Extreme it top notch, Sal is a class act, awesome owner...by far, my fav place to play! __________________ Originally posted by heinous: "sniper's gun always gets extra camera love"

05-13-2012, 12:19 PM	#1049 (permalink)
bokyo Bad Dad Join Date: Dec 2011	i think that the price will be a little more but the big question is WHEN?

05-13-2012, 01:06 PM	#1050 (permalink)
hawaiianking Rec Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii	PE Rail Comparison Questions were asked about the T-slot on the Prototype (J12) and whether or not it was compatible with a PE asa. Snapped some pictures this weekend to compare the two. Note that this is a prototype J12 and may not reflect any changes to the design for final production. Also I am using a OOPS asa which I assume has the same T-rail as the POPS asa. In general, the CCM t-rail has different dimensions from the PE t-rail. The CCM rail overall is thicker and more robust making the corresponding slot larger, so the CCM asa WILL NOT fit a PE slot but a PE asa WILL fit the CCM slot. I would not recommend using the PE asa though. With the larger CCM slot, there is a lot of side-to side play and only a small bearing area on one side. One good dive into a bunker and your PE asa is gonna rip off the gun and you are gonna have to buy a new grip frame.