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Old 11-28-2011, 07:37 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Still a very clean way to run 12g co2 on a 350psi sniper. Stabs are proven Co2 workhorses. Personally I wouldn't let my dog play with a CP reg. AKA maybe. never cp.
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Old 11-28-2011, 11:25 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Yep, that's what it means.

With regards to running CO2 on a CP reg, the design isn't the issue- it's just the seal material which could stand to be a little tougher. Otherwise, it's not especially different from a Stabilizer. It doesn't have the overpressure blowoff, but neither do the Fatty Stabilizers. And frankly, does the blowoff even do anything at pressures under 800? I don't see the point, unless the blowoff adjusts to the same pressure to which the output is set. Which is doable, but would lead to a funky piston design.
The piston moves the same distance regardless of pressure setting on a stabilizer.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:06 AM   #103 (permalink)
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The piston moves the same distance regardless of pressure setting on a stabilizer.
True, it is a floating poppet instead of a moving base- but that doesn't make a huge difference with ability to handle CO2. PPS has always claimed the seat material is the big difference.
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:14 PM   #104 (permalink)
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I've noticed that Torpedos and Stabs are pretty good with CO2, and at avoiding liquid bypass. They both use shrader valves with urethane discs instead of what looks like a buna (or something that looks like it) reg seat on the CP, and have big expansion areas around the piston. Maybe that makes the difference. WGP regs are similar in design to the CPs, but use a urethane seat. Generally, they are considered to be fairly good on CO2.

If a buna reg seat can't handle temp fluctuations, then you get creep, and your reg will be garbage on CO2.

As for the overpressure relief, I think that it's a little overstated on Stabs...I took a look at it and I think it would be more functional with some adjustability, although it does provide a failsafe.
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Old 11-29-2011, 04:47 PM   #105 (permalink)
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i wonder if theylll make one of these to take the place of a phantom valve like the stab they make.
that would be pretty tight.
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:22 PM   #106 (permalink)
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i wonder if theylll make one of these to take the place of a phantom valve like the stab they make.
that would be pretty tight.
In stock Gargoyle valve body
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:37 PM   #107 (permalink)
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what's all this talk about CP regs? they are terrible regs in my experience (with at least 3 different ones) and I'd never use one again, even if the new ones are better... AKA and PPS regs on the other hand, are outstanding and never give me problems, even my oldest AKA reg still functions flawlessly.
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:46 PM   #108 (permalink)
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That's pretty cool, but it isn't a reg or a bucket changer...
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:21 PM   #109 (permalink)
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what's all this talk about CP regs? they are terrible regs in my experience (with at least 3 different ones) and I'd never use one again, even if the new ones are better... AKA and PPS regs on the other hand, are outstanding and never give me problems, even my oldest AKA reg still functions flawlessly.
I brought it up because I have the specs, and the adjustment is not on the main axis. The design is readily changed to be more similar to a Sidewinder, and relatively easily changed to be like an SST. My entire point was just that it is possible to design a regulator that takes in a 12g, adjusts while the 12g is loaded, and is still marginally smaller than PPS's design. No, they don't have floating poppets like a Stabilizer or Messiah, but that doesn't mean the design is flawed, just perhaps the execution on that design. Seal material and seat geometry still seems most critical- the reason nearly identical mechanisms work better in AKA regs than CP (excluding tolerances).

Again, my main point is that key features were overlooked. I'm disappointed that the first on the market is something I personally would not buy, and believe to be an underdesigned product.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:22 PM   #110 (permalink)
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That's pretty cool, but it isn't a reg or a bucket changer...
thats sort of what i was thinking. valve body w/ the reg and changer built in.
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