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Old 10-04-2012, 08:57 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Just sent Delta my info for a pre-order.

This is the first NEW marker I will have purchased since my 98C in 2000 or 2001.

You can still find Cocker breaches, but I can all but guarantee this will be a unibody system like in every Ion variant after the Epiphany and classic Ion, and only available in Ion/Imp threads. The feedneck on this is integrated into the exoskeleton, the 2 piece bodies were threaded themselves for the feednecks.

Kind of curious which method of trigger they are using - pulse valve of some sort or a normally open 3-way. I suppose they could also use a check valve off of a 3-way, but that would infringe on the PE patent for the GEO - most (if not all) other direct pneumatic triggering mechanisms are fair game from expired patents or un-patented prior art. Either way, definitely hoping they stick with the same bolt system as all of the others in the family.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:01 PM   #72 (permalink)
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So far as chop protection goes, is the vibe/SP-1 bolt soft enough to prevent breaks by itself?

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Old 10-04-2012, 09:01 PM   #73 (permalink)
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So they took dw/yoda's ion mech kit?
Funny i just saw a post about this on PBNation and put a link on the thread about Yoda and Deathwish conversion kit,I was surprized not many people had heard of it/them.I've got 2 now myself and both shoot awesome,really reminds me of my old Micromag
Decent price for a new gun,Id rather but a used ion and kit from dw/yoda myself
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:20 PM   #74 (permalink)
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So far as chop protection goes, is the vibe/SP-1 bolt soft enough to prevent breaks by itself?

Kind of curious about this myself.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:23 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I hope this is what it seems. A mass-produced, cheap, single-trigger pneumatic Ion would be a good thing. Do they still make 'cocker threaded breeches?
Sorry, just Impulse/Ion Threads.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:38 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Kind of curious about this myself.
Be honest I've only broken about 3 rnds out of about 20,000+ rounds. All 3 were my fault.

All I'm seeing is an upgraded ENVY that has gone pneumatic. If GOG is offering Tech Classes, then there must be something inside we are not seeing in the picture.

As I mentioned "SLUGO" as taught me all pictures aren't true We should all just wait till the final pictures and tech info comes out

Some internals and externals info has already been posted here. I know I'm thinking one thing and it will end up another. Either way it isn't long for the lathe

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:45 PM   #77 (permalink)
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No matter what, this is a good thing:

1-New low priced entry gun
2-More players on a budget can play
3-already existing repair parts on the market
4-Probably easy to modify/repair.

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:47 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Here is my little snip. If in fact it is only the standard ion, or so, with the mech setup; I have lost even more resect for SP. Copycat jerks. Just like KEE and Tippman using the AGD Automag design. Again, copycat jerks. Get your own design.
Cmon, now if you copycat another person it should be ok. It will be competition that will decide a winner. What was the word for this.... I think it starts a C and is opposite of communism
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:29 PM   #79 (permalink)
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The Ion is nothing more than an altered balance Matrix to begin with - which started out as a mechanical gun. Which is based on a valve system used in the meat packaging industry.

If you look at all of the systems used in paintball, there are very few completely unique systems that don't borrow in some fashion from the earlier models. Most of them rather far removed.

Taking another design, reverse engineering it, reproducing it part for part would make someone a jerk, not borrowing design cues. Although, that would explain the NME part of the name....


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No matter what, this is a good thing:

1-New low priced entry gun
2-More players on a budget can play
3-already existing repair parts on the market
4-Probably easy to modify/repair.

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Old 10-05-2012, 12:34 AM   #80 (permalink)
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I usually would be with the people whining about this because there is a good deal to be bothered by when talking about SP/GOG/etc.

However if a cheaper, good quality, easy to care for marker comes out and gets more people into the game then no one can really complain. The sport needs more players and this is at least one way to get them.
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