Whats the story behind my pgp?

SuperHiQuality87 · 10-29-2006, 10:24 PM

I KNOW it's old. When I took it out of the box i could tell but the more i studied it, the older it seemed. Chris Maders Sheridan Recognition Guide doesn't go into enough detail to be really helpful... Sadly, I havn't opened it up yet so as far as I know, there could be other oddities awaiting.

First off, note the orange plastic bolt bearings. 2nd; it has the front AND rear sights. 3rd; the knurled pump of course.. 4th; the left side body stamping - not only is there a severe abence of a serial number, but in place of the "warning" notice, it says "mfg. for pmi etc.." 5th; the notches in the rear of the body for the bolt are quite diffrent - theres only one small one.

FYI - the gripframe may not be original, and I put the panels on there. The originl brown ones were pretty outta whack.

So, I guess my main question is how old is this pgp? Is it one of the first ones or somthing? and when may have that been?

Thanks!
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c6quad · 10-29-2006, 11:09 PM

it's not that old since it has bearing holes. looks like a well used pgp.

i don't know about the serial number not being there. maybe, from the looks of it, it could have been sand off. i doubt thats the case though. all the other stamped lettering is clearly visible.

the orange balls are obviously something someone used instead of steel bearings.

doesn't look to be anything special about it. just a plain pgp.

kidneythief · 10-29-2006, 11:11 PM

Old but not very. The bearings are after market of sorts...the previous owner probably put them in. The front and rear sites were standard, the knurled pump was also added by the previous owner. The gouges near the rear of the feed tube come from set screws on a speed loader. The frame is just the standard sheridan frame.

Basically you are looking at an "older" pgp with a mix-mash of stuff that does'nt belong. The knurled pump predates that style. All the markings are normal and the absence of the serial # is normal.

-Jake

WilD · 10-30-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kidneythief

the knurled pump was also added by the previous owner...The knurled pump predates that style.

I disagree with that point. The knurled pump may be original, he says he replaced the brown grips with the balck ones himself. I have an original knurled pump model with brown grips and I believe the markings are the same although it isn't sitting in front of me as I type this.

I agree with everything else though, it is old, but not uber early or rare.

Cunha · 11-03-2006, 01:15 PM

I think wilD is correct.

B · 11-03-2006, 08:14 PM

Parts box PGP probably served time as a rental then bought and made in to a personal gun. This happens all the time with PGP's Maveric's, Trracer's, OO7's, Taso's and others. It is noting more then a well used gun that should serve for another owner.

Stainlessbutcher · 11-03-2006, 10:00 PM

is everyone else missing the serial number right there on the right side....53403...or is that Racine Wisconsins zip code? It seems to be stamped with a different stamp set....maybe I'm just hallucinating.

Butcher.

kidneythief · 11-03-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stainlessbutcher

is everyone else missing the serial number right there on the right side....53403...or is that Racine Wisconsins zip code? It seems to be stamped with a different stamp set....maybe I'm just hallucinating.

Butcher.

Thats the zip code. The serial was probably sanded off long ago.

-Jake

Stainlessbutcher · 11-03-2006, 10:06 PM

I bet if it was polished then, you would see the ripple where the serial number used to be since they left the rest of the lettering intact, they had to concentrate their sanding to the area where the SN was. That leaves a low spot that should be discernable looking down the tube side.

Butcher.

kidneythief · 11-03-2006, 10:33 PM

It could have been the laser etched type...which with a light sanding you can get rid of the serial without a trace.

-Jake

10-29-2006, 11:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
kidneythief Lord humungus the Mod Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Finally!!! Posts: 2,445	Old but not very. The bearings are after market of sorts...the previous owner probably put them in. The front and rear sites were standard, the knurled pump was also added by the previous owner. The gouges near the rear of the feed tube come from set screws on a speed loader. The frame is just the standard sheridan frame. Basically you are looking at an "older" pgp with a mix-mash of stuff that does'nt belong. The knurled pump predates that style. All the markings are normal and the absence of the serial # is normal. -Jake __________________ "I wish simply to be a decent person, yet I will always fear the retards" -Brian Hindt(geech) "Every man knows he is, basically, a complete sissy compared to Johnny Cash." - Bono LPPC member #24 MCB Moderator Machinist for hire Kidney Machine

11-03-2006, 08:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
B Retro grouch Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lynn, Ma Posts: 3,147	Parts box PGP probably served time as a rental then bought and made in to a personal gun. This happens all the time with PGP's Maveric's, Trracer's, OO7's, Taso's and others. It is noting more then a well used gun that should serve for another owner. __________________ Paintball is a game of honor, play it that way! Nelson Owners Group RIP Grifyn

11-03-2006, 10:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
kidneythief Lord humungus the Mod Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Finally!!! Posts: 2,445	It could have been the laser etched type...which with a light sanding you can get rid of the serial without a trace. -Jake __________________ "I wish simply to be a decent person, yet I will always fear the retards" -Brian Hindt(geech) "Every man knows he is, basically, a complete sissy compared to Johnny Cash." - Bono LPPC member #24 MCB Moderator Machinist for hire Kidney Machine

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10-29-2006, 11:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
c6quad MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NC Posts: 4,563	it's not that old since it has bearing holes. looks like a well used pgp. i don't know about the serial number not being there. maybe, from the looks of it, it could have been sand off. i doubt thats the case though. all the other stamped lettering is clearly visible. the orange balls are obviously something someone used instead of steel bearings. doesn't look to be anything special about it. just a plain pgp.

11-03-2006, 01:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 4,536	I think wilD is correct.

11-03-2006, 10:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Stainlessbutcher Active Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Worth TX Posts: 367	is everyone else missing the serial number right there on the right side....53403...or is that Racine Wisconsins zip code? It seems to be stamped with a different stamp set....maybe I'm just hallucinating. Butcher.

11-03-2006, 10:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stainlessbutcher Active Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Worth TX Posts: 367	I bet if it was polished then, you would see the ripple where the serial number used to be since they left the rest of the lettering intact, they had to concentrate their sanding to the area where the SN was. That leaves a low spot that should be discernable looking down the tube side. Butcher.