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    #16
    I have a better/clearer diagram of where to machine a stock bolt. Click image for larger version

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    • Jordan
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      That should work too... as long as the groove ends up concentric and in roughly the right spot.

      I know SSC and a couple other places will machine them for cheap but shipping costs make it too expensive to be worthwhile for me.

    • ChoSanJuan

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      It was almost $4 for my 6 bolts to ship to him. Add that to the $5/bolt and 3+ shipping... It was worth it! I can see that it might not be on a single bolt, though.

    • Jordan
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      Shipping to/from Canada is brutal at times... I'd be looking at $15-20 to ship, plus machining costs, plus return shipping.

      When I can do it myself for free, well...

    #17
    Thanks might try this

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    #18
    Originally posted by Jester2844 View Post
    Thanks might try this
    Heck yeah! Post up pics too!
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      #19
      Dam ... I wish I had all this before letting my ions go ... I would have probably kept one ...

      I do have a spare bolt (single o-ring). I may add the groove on the lathe and let it go if someone is interested ...
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      what is the tail o-ring size?
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      • Jordan
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        010, 70 durometer

      • XEMON

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        Thanks 👍
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      #20
      Updated the image from Jordan. Thanks again!
      Also added the thingiverse link to my SMAV-3 mount.
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        #21
        Just got back $30 worth of converted bolts from SSC. Updating the main post with my video and how it works.
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        • JeeperCreeper
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          I tried one with the coveted L6 bolt and it ran great. I have another bolt that I'm not sure what it is, but its a black dual tail and weighs less than the L6. I now have the BOB setup so I can easily get some data on 4 different types of dual tail bolts that I have

        #22
        Is there a way if one were to fabricate a bracket to hold it in an SP-1 would this work for that too? It pretty much is the same parts inside just in a mil-sim frame.

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        • JeeperCreeper
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          It has been done. The SSC bracket just kinda wedges itself in the trigger frame with screws. Like a friction fit. I personally used the SSC mount and drilled holes and screwed it to the frame for my custom dye trigger frame

        #23
        There is a second set screw that you can't see but it keeps it from moving

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          #24
          I'm assuming that the SP1 frame rail is still there for the board to slide in. If you check out the bottom of my main post, I have my 3d model up for printing. I designed it to slot in the spot where the board goes.
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          • Jordan
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            No... SP1 boards are horizontal, and don't fit the same as an Ion. The TFGPB kits were different for the SP1 vs. the Ion kit in terms of mounting the SMAV.

          • ChoSanJuan

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            Damn, I'd design a new mount if I had the grip to model it after. :/

          • Jordan
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            I've got two sitting here, let me know if you want to borrow one.

          #25
          FYI:

          The Super Stanchy Mech Ion kit is a drop in for Epiphany's as well, despite having a different trigger design then the stock Ion. I did hear rumors that the Epiphany firing can requires too high of an operating pressure to work with the mech kits, so I just dropped a NDZ Ion can ($13 on ebay) in there and it rips just fine. Hitting playable velocities @160 PSI with zero issues.


          Initial shooting video:
          https://youtu.be/L9famzgL8Fc

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            #26
            If I have a bolt modded for dual tail orings, will it still work in a Ion or will the 2nd oring mess things up?

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              #27
              Originally posted by Target View Post
              If I have a bolt modded for dual tail orings, will it still work in a Ion or will the 2nd oring mess things up?
              It will be better, actually... dual tail oring bolts allow for better efficiency and consistency on stock Ions.

              The biggest reason you need one for a mech Ion is that normally the amount of time the bolt is held forward (to vent the dump chamber/fire the ball) is controlled electronically. Using a dual tail oring seals off the dump chamber from the air supply (supplied via the rear donut) so even if the bolt is held forward via the trigger the dump chamber won't continuously vent and affect consistency/velocity/efficiency.

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