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Old 10-06-2019, 12:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anybody know where this came from?

Found this a year ago on Craigslist... guy said he got it at a flea market in San Antonio...

It clearly isnít a mass produced marker...

Very spyderish in the sense it has a hammer which strikes a valve... just has 2 bolts linked to the hammer instead of 1... and the cocking rods lock the linkages into place.

Iíd like to bring it back to life... but Iím unsure if it ever worked in the first place?

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Old 10-06-2019, 12:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wish I could help as to wear it came from, but all I've got is that it looks like it takes illustrator guts.
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Okay, I can't tell you too many details about it- 'cause I don't know 'em - but that is, in fact, a double-barreled F1 Illustrator.

I have one, myself, although in much worse condition (this is exactly how a customer gave it to me. )



The guy that gave it to me knew more of the history, but before he handed it to me, I'd never even heard of such a thing.

What little I recall from the story is that there was a company- probably just a small garage shop- that took then-new F1 Illustrators, turned a from-scratch copy of the top tube, and attached it to the side of the original gun.

The guy I got mine from said they "soldered" them together, but aluminum doesn't solder in any easy, meaningful way, so the presumption is that they epoxied them together. (The original feed necks for F1s, after all, were epoxied in.)

Most of them were apparently nickel-plated (mine is, under all the paint and gunk) probably because the epoxy wouldn't hold up under the anodizing bath, or the epoxy would "insulate" the add-on tube, so it wouldn't properly anodize, or whatever.

I have no idea who the manufacturer was, or how many were made. I was told they eventually made a triple as well, with an add-on tube on both sides of the gun.

I was told reliability was iffy, and the original owner said mine had fallen apart several times- prompting him to try and glue it all back together with JB Weld.

If anyone comes up with more hard data, I'd love to hear it.

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There's a dude in old-school paintball guns on Facebook that made these... I forget the exact numbers he made back in the day. He even made himself a triple barrel version he called Thor or something.

If you go there post it he will come out of the woodwork
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Old 10-06-2019, 09:37 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thank you all for this information. Truly appreciated.

What inspired me to take another shot at this was rebuilding an f4 a week or so ago... and when I took it apart I realized it was very close to the parts in this thing.

So... an f1 makes perfect sense.

Last night took everything apart... cleaned out the inside of the body (it was Gunked up from melted o rings) and replaced all o rings...

Unfortunately no dice... still leaked quite a bit... something wrong with the valve and or cup seal...

BUT.... at least it works mechanically at this point... cocks and everything moves like it is supposed to... just doesnít hold air lol.

Iím going to hit up face book.

Iíll check back on this thread from time to time. If I get it working Iím going to use it on airball... and there will be a video [emoji33][emoji23][emoji1787][emoji16]
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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One other question... i suspect the
culprit is a bad cupseal... and looking at f1 pArts... whatís in there doesnít match f1 original parts...

Any idea where I can source one? Or something that would be compatible?
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One other question... i suspect the
culprit is a bad cupseal... and looking at f1 pArts... what’s in there doesn’t match f1 original parts...

Any idea where I can source one? Or something that would be compatible?
The original cup seals were annoying like that. Maybe the star washer causes more trouble than it fixes. I would feel free to mash up something close to the original.

Make sure the valve face is clean. The F1 dates back to nasty co2 days.
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Got it. Iíve a few lying around.

Regarding the star washer, are you saying to not use one?
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Got it. Iíve a few lying around.

Regarding the star washer, are you saying to not use one?
Just that the leak is familiar, but we never really settled the issue before automags came out. The star washer is an uncommon feature and I wonder if it would cause the misalignment that it was meant to help. The cup seals were also harder than most. You could probably build one just as good.
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