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Old 02-03-2016, 11:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 02-03-2016, 11:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm curious too, thanks for the reminder. There was a presentation to ASTM, right? How'd that go?
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Based on their Facebook page I'd guess it went well, I'd expect an announcement at PBE.
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Based on their Facebook page I'd guess it went well, I'd expect an announcement at PBE.
I would assume it went well. For all the discussion about first strike I don't think anyone doubted they would be able to gain ASTM approval once ASTM standards were updated to avoid the term "spherical" (IIRC that was the term in question).
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Big problems in my neck of the woods. We had insurance through the "other" company that used to allow FSR in their policy. And my field just reupped and were told as of 2016. By the way, no more FSR allowed... So as fields renew, this is going to be a problem at the few fields that still allowed them find out they are now banned.

They also made the "no fire" rule to be 20 feet instead of the old 10 foot rule... Which means a lot of the fields close quarters now can't be used (we have bus's and other structures where you can come around a corner and hit someone close).

It really stinks. From what I've heard there are only two main companies that insure paintball. (underwrite it, any company can sell a policy, but they go to these two companies to cover the legalities and have the actual policy).

Then you have one other entity that does paintball as well (Lloyds of London). As they are pretty much a specialty insurance group risk agency, but their policies are expensive, and most fields stay away for that reason.
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They also made the "no fire" rule to be 20 feet instead of the old 10 foot rule... Which means a lot of the fields close quarters now can't be used (we have bus's and other structures where you can come around a corner and hit someone close).
Twenty feet??? What the hell do they expect field owners and players to do? Most recreational fields I know of are built with this in mind. So they expect owners to redesign their smaller fields? And good luck getting players to adhere to the rule in the first place. If anything, I'd say that's a bigger crock of crap than the whole FSR business.
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Twenty feet??? What the hell do they expect field owners and players to do? Most recreational fields I know of are built with this in mind. So they expect owners to redesign their smaller fields? And good luck getting players to adhere to the rule in the first place. If anything, I'd say that's a bigger crock of crap than the whole FSR business.
I play at that field. There are parts of a couple fields (a bus, and a shed, probably a few other structures) that are off limits now. You can no longer go inside them.

If we're playing without renters, they let us do it (and they relax the 20 foot rule), but in mixed games some zones that were previously in-play are now a no-go.
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20 feet? WTF? (but this is an aside).

Good news if they get ATSM as then there will be no legal recource for insurance to ban them.
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20 feet? WTF? (but this is an aside).

Good news if they get ATSM as then there will be no legal recource for insurance to ban them.
??? Legal recourse for insurance to ban them ???

Define what legal recourse would be?? You know how many "industry standard practices" various insurance companies ban? Your contract between you and an insurance company is civil in nature. Because it is a civil contract that contract can contain nearly any provision (provided that provision does not violate the law). For instance my current insurance prohibits me from operating a motorcycle on a public street even though I am legally licensed and doing so is legal.
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Big problems in my neck of the woods. We had insurance through the "other" company that used to allow FSR in their policy. And my field just reupped and were told as of 2016. By the way, no more FSR allowed... So as fields renew, this is going to be a problem at the few fields that still allowed them find out they are now banned.

They also made the "no fire" rule to be 20 feet instead of the old 10 foot rule... Which means a lot of the fields close quarters now can't be used (we have bus's and other structures where you can come around a corner and hit someone close).

It really stinks. From what I've heard there are only two main companies that insure paintball. (underwrite it, any company can sell a policy, but they go to these two companies to cover the legalities and have the actual policy).

Then you have one other entity that does paintball as well (Lloyds of London). As they are pretty much a specialty insurance group risk agency, but their policies are expensive, and most fields stay away for that reason.
Assuming that the ASTM spec has been amended, I'm curious how the insurance industry will react. According to Cossio (with all the rhetoric ignored), insurance underwriters were concerned with the fact that it wasn't under the ASTM due to the "spherical" definition. He made a mention of what an ophthalmologist thought of the rounds but, none of that factors into the ASTM so, I wonder if the insurance underwriters weigh other information into their decisions.

I'm okay with 20ft rules if fields are striving for child friendly or 'low impact' paintball. Consenting adults shouldn't need to worry about such things...
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