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|09-14-2006, 09:08 AM||#31 (permalink)|
Icognito Remiss Firebrand
Where's Lewis Carroll when we need him?
hmmm Kant's Trancedental Proof of the Existance of Backspin.
Did squeegie preceede spooge, or did spooge precede squeegies?
|09-14-2006, 09:25 AM||#32 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jul 2006
pretty good stuff guys - until the spooge/squeegee paradox
Just to throw a wrinkle at yall :
Case #1) I cock my sniper II w/ 12" kaner reg'ed at 400psi and hold the pump handle and it fires well.
Case #2) I cock the same marker, same barrel and hold the reg, and fire, and the balls always go more true, speed up 4-6fps, and much less loud.
Ive always attibuted this characteristic in case#2 to the peak pressure being lower, deforming the ball less during initial accelleration - thus lowering initial ball to barrel friction, and having a more round ball to accellerate.
Ive been using this technique for 13 years, and with more than 12 different sni2s and it always holds true.
oh, and im currently digging the olderstyle kaner w/ 12" tips as my favorite kit for my sni2's. Ironically my 1993 unported 8" stock wgp barrel rocks on my '93 cocker regg'ed @ 500psi. ball on ball insanity. I guess this backs the 8"-10" theory.
|09-14-2006, 10:02 AM||#34 (permalink)|
Big enough, round enough and straight enough is all you need.
Give me a Vector barrel (round, .691 ID, no porting or steps and straight as a ramrod.
Still the most accurate paintball shooting system that I have ever fired.
|09-14-2006, 05:41 PM||#37 (permalink)|
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Grand Junction, Colorado
One thing everyone is forgeting (or not saying) is that the valve itself has a great deal to do with the whole mess. A valve is more or less just an orphice, so at a givin pressure only so much will flow through that orphice, this is of course exlcuding thae fact that valves are, well valves and dwell comes into play. Also the final pressure behind the ball is only 80-125psi (Tom kaye had a write up on this somewhere) so unless your testing the same valve at the same dwell, the pressure supplying the valve has no effect. The reson why co2 is less consistant is that you are using the same valve at close to the same dwell, and becuase CO2 is in a gas and liquid state in your tank the pressure is always changing, not to mention what tempurature has to do with it (theres a reason C02 is a refrigerant ) It is however possible that using the same bore througout the lenth of the barrel that lenght alone has an effect, but no real publised studies have been done that I know of. Im shure that "paintball math" does exist, but manufactures arent going to let it out, becuase if they did paintball simply become just that, math. Thus anyone could punch the numbers and build a gun. I am also shure that one day all the numbers will be revealed, but how close is that day? who knows
|09-14-2006, 05:59 PM||#38 (permalink)|
Pump Gun Pimp #80
Spec Ops Pump User#86
Pump Player Clan
|09-14-2006, 08:38 PM||#39 (permalink)|
|09-14-2006, 09:08 PM||#40 (permalink)|
You have to be a philosopher first..to come up with a hypothesis, and then figure out a way that you might be able to prove it one way or another.. both things require simply thinking before a true experiment is done.
I think that PPS guns work better with the pump held forward because of valve design. WGP didnt exactly spend alot of time making their guns work as good as possible..the not holding the pump thing just happens to be like that.
GP on the other hand did spend time on his design, and he made it work correctly.
And thats all philosophy and now if someone cares we can test it. (send me all your houndstooths)
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