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Old 01-16-2017, 05:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Nice work, Goatboy! Sound concept, improved. I like it.
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Old 01-22-2017, 03:26 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Thanks freedummy!

Uhm it's kind of funny you should mention "improvement" because I didn't cover the improvement part yet. Well, kind of. Like the obvious stuff I covered.

So if you look at the Palmer's page for this product, you'll notice an advisory:



Question to all the skilled beta testers: what exactly counts as "seated correctly"?

For starters, not all cocker-threaded parts are created equal. Freak backs tend to have a reduced seating surface on the back side because of the insert. You can't count the insert's surface area as a reliable seating surface.

On top of that, not all barrels will actually seat all the way back when screwed into the gun. On my Trracer, neither that Freak barrel nor even the stock barrel actually bottom out toward the back.

I blew about 5 of my original design out the front before I realized what was going on.

The solution with a printed part is simple -- increase the cylinder thickness to take up the slop, leave the prong thickness alone.


How does the Palmer's product account for this?
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:04 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Old 01-23-2017, 11:10 AM   #45 (permalink)
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How does the Palmer's product account for this?
I suspect they don't need to. The TPU can be shot out if it's not clamped between the breach and barrel because it's soft and deforms. The brass is rigid, and even if it sits loose in that gap it's not going anywhere.

I'm sure they include that part in their advisory more as a legal/liability thing. Maybe if you managed to bend and cram the insert sideways into the barrel it would be shot out, or if there were a complete structural failure of the brass.... But never if it were installed as intended.
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I need to get a pack of these when the production order comes in. I'm thinking these would work well for a pre-detents Sterling and quite a few others
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I'm not sure if these will work with a Proline/Lada Sterling, those markers (Sterling threaded) are Bore Drop so the bolt will push the ball past the "Removable Widget". Granted it will help without a detent so you don't double feed but if your barrel isn't freak bored you'll still suffer from roll outs.
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Hmm... interesting. The fingers reach into the barrel, so shouldn't it prevent rollouts? Methinks I'll get a dowel and a marker and take some precise measurements
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I'm not sure if these will work with a Proline/Lada Sterling, those markers (Sterling threaded) are Bore Drop so the bolt will push the ball past the "Removable Widget". Granted it will help without a detent so you don't double feed but if your barrel isn't freak bored you'll still suffer from roll outs.

I think you're mistaken. A cocker is also bore drop. These work in cockers where the ball sits in the barrel so it would work for a sterling thread sterling as well. The issue might be that sterling barrels have a narrower shank so these might not seat properly being made for the wider shank ac barrels. I could be wrong, but I thought palmers mentioned something about this issue in one of the development threads.

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