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freedummy 01-06-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by D3adpool (Post 2583967)
Lol. Lastly how many shots per tank are these cranking out? Roughly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jebus (Post 2583993)
Now this is just a guesstimate by looking at the picture. probably around 6 or 7 with a 13c HPA tank. Can't find any real info on their site

Their facebook page states this -

"We also would like to apologize as we have made claims that we must retract. To date we have posted and claimed that the bolt action shoots 130 shots per 13/3000 ninja tank. This is not accurate as the true shot per tank seems to exceed 200. We apologize in advance for the misinformation. Thanks!"


Personally, I'm excited to see one in person. Someone else will have bought it, but I'm still excited.

D3adpool 01-06-2013 07:26 PM

Thanks FD. I don't use Facebook so this is helpful!!!

freedummy 01-06-2013 08:10 PM

I don't use Facebook either, I made an account so people would be able to find my email address... But as far as the SAR12's page, other than that little factoid and a few photos there really isn't much else of substance to find there.

Kmak 01-06-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by freedummy (Post 2584217)
Their facebook page states this -

"We also would like to apologize as we have made claims that we must retract. To date we have posted and claimed that the bolt action shoots 130 shots per 13/3000 ninja tank. This is not accurate as the true shot per tank seems to exceed 200. We apologize in advance for the misinformation. Thanks!"


Personally, I'm excited to see one in person. Someone else will have bought it, but I'm still excited.

Seems odd that they need to apologize for their product being better than previously claimed. :rolleyes:
Looks good, but I'll never be able to afford this, or any gun >$500. At least for a while.

Melvin 01-06-2013 08:26 PM

lol nevermind page updated before i could post. jebus had me worried with that 6 or 7 shots per tank post.

D3adpool 01-06-2013 08:40 PM

I thought he might have meant 6 or 7 pods equivalent but I realized he was being sacarstic.

Kmak 01-06-2013 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melvin (Post 2584335)
lol nevermind page updated before i could post. jebus had me worried with that 6 or 7 shots per tank post.

I know right, Jebus Christ!

CarmatechEng 01-09-2013 12:42 PM

Shot quantity
 
We have found that the bolt action gets around 190-200 shots at a velocity of 280-290. We are also finding that the semi auto is getting around 120-130 on the same 13/3000 tank. The post about apologizing for being more efficient was a bit of sarcasm. The current web site is limited in information availability, and we are close to going live with our brand new website which includes product information, frequently asked questions, about us, and blog spot. Finally we are in production, so look for these to hit the market early spring 2013.

Thanks
David Williams

freedummy 01-09-2013 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarmatechEng (Post 2587220)
We have found that the bolt action gets around 190-200 shots at a velocity of 280-290. We are also finding that the semi auto is getting around 120-130 on the same 13/3000 tank. The post about apologizing for being more efficient was a bit of sarcasm. The current web site is limited in information availability, and we are close to going live with our brand new website which includes product information, frequently asked questions, about us, and blog spot. Finally we are in production, so look for these to hit the market early spring 2013.

Thanks
David Williams

Very exciting to hear! Thanks for dropping by to let us know.

wetfootwilley 01-09-2013 02:29 PM

All I can say about the SAR 12 is this: https://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...64543689_n.jpg They're an amazing marker.

WFW

D3adpool 02-27-2013 04:13 PM

Any PBE news on this marker?

skullcandy1993 02-27-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by D3adpool (Post 2637896)
Any PBE news on this marker?

What is left to announce?

The marker has been released, 3 different versions are for sale, tons of pictures floating around the internet about it, their site is up and running, so...whats left?

D3adpool 02-27-2013 04:33 PM

Oooh. I didn't know it was released. My bad.

What about the small carbine / shorter shroud option? Is that out to as well?

uv_halo 02-27-2013 04:45 PM

Or how about the semi-auto drive train. The last I heard, they weren't shipping yet.

D3adpool 02-27-2013 04:56 PM

Lol where on their site is it for sale? It still has beta testers and pre order sales on the front page.

Sorry for being in the dark but somebody dropped the ball if I'm on MCB and not know this is out yet lol.

Is it being sold off their Facebook account / page because I don't do the FB. Maybe that's why I'm in the dark.

In all seriousness though, where can one purchase this and or the various options?

Keebler 02-27-2013 05:02 PM

They have a new website that's why. Yes they are selling. Not really fond of their 3 packages. One has something I want and some thing I don't another has something I don't want but not what I want
Etc etc

D3adpool 02-27-2013 05:05 PM

What's the site called? I'm googling Sar-12 and I am seeing the old site and a bunch of YouTube vids / links.

Arson24 02-27-2013 05:11 PM

just had to google caramatech

Carmatech Engineering

D3adpool 02-27-2013 05:19 PM

Thank you!

D3adpool 02-27-2013 06:46 PM

I see what Keebler is saying that each option has something you want. I guess the platform that makes sense for me would be to buy option 1. Get my own rifled barrel and get my appropriately sized magpul shroud.

TheHow7zer 02-27-2013 07:08 PM

From what I know the markers are up for pre-order and will be out sometime this spring.

CarmatechEng 02-28-2013 11:55 PM

Company Update
 
Gentlemen:

My apologies for not responding in a timely manor. Been busy! Our new website is up and running, with the 6 items listed, and company information. We are slated to start final assembly within the next week or so. We are currently in production on the rifles, bolt action power train, semi auto power train, and accessories. One of these accessories is a fore grip adapter that allows for any ar15 fore grip to be mounted to the marker. Also the semi auto engine is not listed as well on the website. This product is two to three weeks behind the gun builds. We didn't attend the expo, as we are focused on releasing this initial production run for our customers spring events. You can visit us at Carmatech Engineering.

Thanks
David

CarmatechEng 05-07-2013 08:20 AM

Consistancy testing results from BTT member
 
For over a year now, we have been testing internally with different barrel combinations and optimization of the valve trains. A BTT member has been doing some testing of his own up in the Canadian winter. I guess he has an indoor range where he tests many many guns and combinations. This is the type of guy that we found very valuable because if the gun was sold, this guy probably purchased/played/worked with it. He is very technical in his testing. I am accepting of the fact that many of you will find these numbers to be "untrue" especially from a manufacturer... in an industry that is plagued by lack of ethics. So that being said here are the numbers that he came up with.

286.2
287.1
287.3
286.6
286.0
286.3
285.9
286.7
285.9
286.6
287.1

Still getting the information from him regarding specifications to the test. IE make and model of Chrono, however these numbers don't really surprise us as it mimics our results internally. The gun setup was SAR12 with HH20 barrel, Jigabo barrel lubricant and shooting FS rounds. The bolt action has a 1/8 npt on the back for optional mounting of a micro gauge. He mounted a digital gauge in this position. Operating pressure was substantially lower than 300, due to a revision (production level) to the cup seal design and mass. The marker had been cycled about 1000 times to properly seat the regulator orings, lubricant, and stress cycle the springs.

Thanks for your time
David Williams

Matt Ribble 05-07-2013 10:49 AM

Not to de-value the post but I'm forced to assume he meant jigaloo.

CarmatechEng 05-07-2013 04:04 PM

Lubricant
 
Thank you for the correction. I have never tested/ played with this product however our tester swears by it.

David

monty 05-07-2013 05:09 PM

I'm curious, the tester actually puts Jigaloo down inside the barrel? What's his method of application? (spray, wipe). Its the first I hear of someone lubricating the inside of barrel. I remember log ago people used to try car wax but that was a different era altogether.

D3adpool 05-07-2013 06:54 PM

Ive read threads about ppl using Rain-x as well.

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Originally Posted by monty (Post 2702913)
I'm curious, the tester actually puts Jigaloo down inside the barrel? What's his method of application? (spray, wipe). Its the first I hear of someone lubricating the inside of barrel. I remember log ago people used to try car wax but that was a different era altogether.


monty 05-07-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D3adpool (Post 2703047)
Ive read threads about ppl using Rain-x as well.

Huh, learned something new.

tangus999 05-07-2013 09:13 PM

What digital gauge?

Tugboater203 05-07-2013 10:12 PM

If you were at the Gravity League game last weekend we had one of the beta guns there. It's a pretty cool piece of hardware.

Hook 05-08-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tangus999 (Post 2703181)
What digital gauge?

That particuliar Carmatech beta tester is a fellow teammate and good friend of mine. The digital gauge used is a TechT Optimus gauge.

As for Jigaloo, it's a Canadian product, and works EXTREMELY well with barrels. A few sprays inside the barrels, then give it a good wipe with a thick barrel swab. The inside will have a nice glossy sheen that will make paintball glide due to the decreased friction

tangus999 05-08-2013 09:31 AM

thats what i thought.
thanks for the confirmation.

-=ArchAngel=- 05-08-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hook (Post 2703481)
That particuliar Carmatech beta tester is a fellow teammate and good friend of mine. The digital gauge used is a TechT Optimus gauge.

As for Jigaloo, it's a Canadian product, and works EXTREMELY well with barrels. A few sprays inside the barrels, then give it a good wipe with a thick barrel swab. The inside will have a nice glossy sheen that will make paintball glide due to the decreased friction

how does it fair with dusty n dirty environments?

DSA 05-09-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by D3adpool (Post 2703047)
Ive read threads about ppl using Rain-x as well.

You guys just made me feel old, I still rain-x and wax my barrels. When in a pinch a quick spray of PAM works wonders.

:old:

The Flounder 05-09-2013 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DSA (Post 2704224)
You guys just made me feel old, I still rain-x and wax my barrels. When in a pinch a quick spray of PAM works wonders.

:old:

Dry graphite in a ziplock. Shake up the bag with First Strikes and you are good to go. You will need to wash your hands before you try to eat lunch.

ApoC_101 05-09-2013 01:06 PM

Graphite? Why not Moly instead?

uv_halo 05-09-2013 01:38 PM

Coatings aren't necessarily a good idea- the shells of FS rounds can cause minor cuts and scratches and for some folks that's bad enough, not to mention graphite, moly, or silicone-based lube getting embedded in the skin.

The Flounder 05-09-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by uv_halo (Post 2704555)
Coatings aren't necessarily a good idea- the shells of FS rounds can cause minor cuts and scratches and for some folks that's bad enough, not to mention graphite, moly, or silicone-based lube getting embedded in the skin.

That is an excellent point I had not considered. Time to cease that practice.

uv_halo 05-09-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flounder (Post 2704563)
That is an excellent point I had not considered. Time to cease that practice.

I'm personally not too worried about it- I keep myself 90+% covered in clothing anyways. I also wouldn't worry if the lube was safe for consumption.

PropperJ 07-24-2013 01:12 AM

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I get to wait till August 10th to see how this works in a game.:bang: Will be a first strike dedicated marker.


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